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Perhaps some kind of <!--#include virtual="/code.txt" -->
I don't know if that would violate AdSense TOS but if someone here with more coding savvy could suggest the proper coding I'd sure email AdSense support and get their opinion.
Thanks,
Tom
way to go rick, i asked about this in another thread cant they auto boost us good publishers? would be nice
it makes sense...........doesnt it?
Makes no sense at all in my opinion. I have lots of sites not running adsense or adwords, and they list just fine - have been for the past 5+ years.
way to go rick, i asked about this in another thread cant they auto boost us good publishers? would be nice
it makes sense...........doesnt it?
If I owned Google, I'd do it. Was started by just 2 guys right?
If anything, it seems the most common thread is having scraper sites link to YOU. I've found several, and other legit content publishers have found 1,000's of scraper sites that link to them.
I don't believe Google will give Adsense users a benefit in SERPs. One of the reason why Google is so popular nowadays is because they managed to produce the best search results on the market because they had the best search algorithm.
Google didn't sneak in paid rankings like some other search engines did in the past, instead they drawed a clear line between ads and search results with the launch of AdWords.
I think Google wants to keep its integrity and therefore I highly doubt they will give Adsense publishers higher rankings.
msn: #1 and #2
yahoo: #1 and #2
google: #81
Are yahoo and msn wrong and google right. And, BTW, I was #1 and #2 on Google before "Bourbon."
So, I think the "do no evil" mantra should be appended to read, "do no evil, unless we make more money doing evil."
I've found several, and other legit content publishers have found 1,000's of scraper sites that link to them.
I've been inundated by these scaper links as well... yet there's been no change with my listings.
Theory - yes ... fact - no.
If anything, it seems the most common threat is having scraper sites link to YOU. I've found several, and other legit content publishers have found 1,000's of scraper sites that link to them.
Ugh, I hope not. I have scrapers starting to link to my shiny new website and it is not because I submitted to them. They just scraped my site's pertinent pages to their topic(s). It would suck to get penalized for their actions.
And You had a terrible low CTR, because the innerHTML transfer causes a reload of the ad
I did NOT have a terrible CTR.. In fact, my CTR went up.. It did NOT relead the ad. In fact this is a technique that you can use to show the same ad block in other places. It is against the TOS to do this but none-the-less, you can conceivably show top 4 paying spots in a few places on your page. This is due to the fact that it DOES NOT reload the script.
If anything, it seems the most common threat is having scraper sites link to YOU. I've found several, and other legit content publishers have found 1,000's of scraper sites that link to them.
This is an irresponsible rumor without an ounce of truth. Think it through, please. If any search engine penalized a site because some other site linked to it, the sabotage would be rampant and ruin search entirely. What IS possible is that your site might be penalized for linking TO a link farm page or some other black hat nonsense.
Go through the Google News thread about content sites like ours; the one common denominator is that as far as I can tell, everyone with a legit site that is posting here has at least SOME scraper sites linking to them.
But every other theory here - ie. "the code is too close to the top of the page" and so on - has been disproven by at least one example of a high-ranking page without it.
I completely agree that it makes no sense that it would do this - the theory, and that's all this is, is that something in the algo that's attempting to take out the spammer sites is also taking out the legitimate sites.
Look at it from Google's point - how do they know *we're* not creating the scraper sites to point to our content? I know that's insane, but possible.
More likely its something like this: IF a legit content site has X amount of links pour in over a short period of time, it might flag Google to think that the site operator is trying some tricks to increase their rankings. Never mind the fact that we have no control over this. We do "know" there is some kind of penalty for having too many links in, in a short period.
I mean, we're following their @#$@ guidelines to the letter. Have been for years. The only "SEO" I do is to make sure I have search terms in the titles of my article, and I do that more for the searchers themselves than the search engines. Previous to this, we had probably 150 top or first page positions in Google, on small keywords. After Bourbon, we can't be found anywhere. We exist, but way, way down in the rankings. The only change for us over the past few months is our traffic has steadily been increasing, and more sites, legit or not have been linking to us.
By all means, please kick this idea around and prove me and anyone else who suspects this wrong.
We do "know" there is some kind of penalty for having too many links in, in a short period.
Having seen GoogleGuy address this very topic in other forums ad nauseum, I'm as certain as anyone not in G's "circle of trust" that there is no penalty for IBLs. What they probably do is simply give no weight or very very little weight in the ranking algos to certain links that look suspicious in their reckoning.
So if 10,000 scraper idiots steal your content, thereby bumping up your IBLs, it cannot hurt you, but it probably won't help you either.
Caveat: If your site is new (new domain or redesigned with new content), the sudden influx of scraper links *MIGHT* trigger the sandbox effect, but that's controversial for sure.
What I've seen is if you're selling something, which gernally, I don't - I'm more an informational site - you'll outrank me now, even with the exact match of a key page on my site, which should be #1, was, and is now #75.
I actually don't care if it rises back up to #1 at some point, having it at 75 AT ALL is ridiculous. The fact that this stupidity has already wiped out 5 days of this month (we're closing in on 20% of every month being interrupted by Google iteslf).
I'm close to moving on, because this doesn't look like it's going to get any better, and I have already wasted more than enough time. Right now I'm thinking, end of the month, all the G ads go.
I've never been very good at jumping through hoops anyhow.
Google News forum said having AdSense placed above the page fold (and above page keywords) may be a factor in causing pages to lose their Google search rankings in the Bourbon Update (like me).
I think it must've been other factors - why would Google penalize AdSense publishers?
Makes no sense - and my ads are up top, no penalty.
We do "know" there is some kind of penalty for having too many links in, in a short period.
Heard this rumor in a couple popular newsletters I subscribe to. This is one rumor that gets a little merit. It's due to publishers buying 1000s of incoming links, mainly from link farms, inflating their numbers.
Doesn't affect all sites though, I've seen that. I have a good relationship with a SEO in my niche, he gets people solid, respectable, incoming links. Their sites are doing better and better. I know, people get us mixed up sometimes and I get his emails. Thanks, but it wasn't me!
Heard this rumor in a couple popular newsletters I subscribe to. This is one rumor that gets a little merit. It's due to publishers buying 1000s of incoming links, mainly from link farms, inflating their numbers.
Throw in some scrapers sending hundreds of links in short period of time... and the penalty for link farms kicks in. Nice theory... much more likely than adsense causing the problem.
Google have previously stated that nothing someone does on another site will negatively affect the ranking of your site - I think this went out the window a while back.
(for the record my sites have done very well from Bourbon - traffic up 50% - adsense on top of 80% of pages - just below the branding)
Google have previously stated that nothing someone does on another site will negatively affect the ranking of your site - I think this went out the window a while back.
Yes, its been out the window for some time. For an example of how a meta refresh, by another site, can effect your site, have a look at this thread. 302s have the same effect
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Google had someone knocking their own page off the serps. Its fixed now (I believe hand fixed, rather than algo fixed)
The canonical algo does not always result in the genuine site getting the credit (one asks the question, does the canonical algo ever keep the genuine site in the serps)
And, on the hijack of adsense website - It tells me that no google supporting pages should be in their index since they manually manipulate the results for their own pages! How many regular people got their sites hand-fixed when hijacked? I wonder how many big-name companies have had the hand-fixed treatment - I bet there are some.
Lastly, just because a person has a PhD and an IQ of 160 doesn't mean they can figure out a real world problem - I think G proves this point.
I read something, in a newsletter, that new algos supposedly distinguish between paid links and scraper links... don't know how true...
Natural links would be sites linking to you differently, one might just have your URL, on another the anchor tag is an image, on another site they are linking to your site title... no penalization.
Paid links would all be the same anchor tags. But, if one scraper puts up 1000s of links to you, all the same, yeah, you'd get muddled in with the rest.
Throw in some scrapers sending hundreds of links in short period of time... and the penalty for link farms kicks in.
The ONLY penalty for link farms is if YOU link to them, not vice versa. At least, not in terms of damaging you in the SERPs if you have a site outside of the sandbox. C'mon, think about this. If any search engine penalized sites for who linked to them, there'd be constant sabotaging and a huge industry centered around "link terrorism" to take down competitors. Nope, it just ain't true.
Yes, former UPS Club Member went broke in 3 days!
It would have been nice if we have seen more of your posts while you WERE in the UPS club.
[edited by: activeco at 4:24 pm (utc) on May 26, 2005]
Trying to explain a drop in search referrals by blaming scrapers, AdSense placement, AdSense participation, or any other isolated factor is a mistake, in my opinion. If you have a clean site, aren't using any questionable SEO techniques, and don't have any technical problems on your site, the most likely explanation of a sudden whacking by Google is a screw-up at Google's end. There are some things that you just don't have any control over, and there's little point in making changes to your site unless they're changes that you should be making anyway (such as redirecting non-www URLs to www or vice versa, or fixing inconsistent linking conventions within your site).
Well, if we can rule some things out, at least we'll know where not to look next for the problem.
If you haven't already, it's time to approach existing link partners to try to get your anchor text switched up. And you definitely want to come up with several random variations for all future IBLs. Use your URL sometimes, and even get links for interior pages so they don't all point to your homepage.
This is a good step by Google, imho. Too many highly ranked sites have crappy content and marginal relevancy. They got where they are by collecting huge numbers of IBLs and gaming Google's results. Time for that to end.
If this is the case then isn't trying to find a way around it just shooting yourself in the foot? Wouldn't it just be a matter of time before Google finds the way around it and knocks down all those sites again?
