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olwen

9:59 pm on May 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I just visited a site with information about better beers, and the breweries that brew them, and looked at a blog for one brewer. The site had adsense and was showing well targetted ads.

I'm aware of the restriction on advertising on beer/hard alcohol site and emailed the site owner (after checking to see that the restriction still existed). But I am totally confused by this restriction, which seems to permit advertsing on wine sites, but prohibits it on beer sites.

Alcohol in most parts of the world is legal, and the art of brewing is as varied as that of winemaking, so that at times it's hard to make a distinction (for example are ciders and perries brews or wines).

For a guidebook type site this could get really hard. Wine-tasting would be acceptable, beer or spirit tasting would not.

wheelie34

9:14 am on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The general concensus is that beer, spirits and shots etc are for people that want to get parraletic wine is supposedly for connisuers (spelling) so they dont want to promote lager louts or pi$$ heads just people who enjoy the quality of wine, whoever heard of a beer tasting festivel? I have heard of binge drinking though!

grandpa

9:21 am on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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whoever heard of a beer tasting festivel?
It's called Oktoberfest.

HelenDev

9:23 am on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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whoever heard of a beer tasting festivel?

There are plenty of these! Especially where real ale is involved.

Dayo_UK

9:25 am on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)



>>>whoever heard of a beer tasting festivel?

And virtually every UK city/town has a beer festival afaik.

BeeDeeDubbleU

9:31 am on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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whoever heard of a beer tasting festivel?

Don't get me started :)

I have both heard of and attended beer tasting festivals on several occasions and I will again whenever I get the chance. As Olwen says, the art of brewing is every bit as complex as that of winemaking. Most people tend to associate beer with the insipid urine coloured lagers that the lager louts use as a vehicle to get legless. Beer and REAL ale is different.

(Q) For example what's the difference between *** and p*ss.

(A) *** is colder :)

This ban by Google is probably because of the drinking and social difference between Google's USA and the rest of us. Worldwide is wine not a bigger alcohol problem than beer? I am talking about the cheap, fortified stuff coveted by winos everywhere, not your Beaujolais and Riojas.

peewhy

9:38 am on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I agree, there are Beer Festivals in the UK, very civilised real ale events that generally pass without violence and vomit. A far cry from any 'drink as much lager as you like' hell holes.

Olwen is right and I too have a wine feature that boasts heavily targeted ads.

Ale is as different to lager as alcho-pops is to fine wines and Google wants nothing to do the the darker side of it.

I dare say a quality scotch whiskey site would get approved, then I'd be interested in writing an article on the prohibition as a test case!

Dayo_UK

9:43 am on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)



>>>>and vomit

Dont know about that - some of the real ales aint half strong. Had a cherry ale last time I went and I did not feel so good.

But I am slightly surprised that Adsense cant go on a Beer site. However I think it is the US view point - their are some wine sites in the US where you have to say you are over 18 (or 21) to enter. Bit weird.

Alternative Future

9:48 am on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps slightly off-topic but what would happen if you had a site talking about whisky (not selling) with adsense on the page. I have a site that talks about the whisky trail in Scotland, although none of the adsense ads are directly on topic of this particular topic there are some aff. such as buy a whisky bottle from eBay etc. Would you suggest I remove adsense ads from this page?

-George

jhood

9:59 am on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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There is a constant uproar in the U.S. about underage drinking and anyone involved in a site that sells beer to minors could be in big trouble. Wine is regarded differently; in fact the U.S. Supreme Court just cleared the way for the sale from a winery in one state to a buyer in another. (Believe it or not this has been illegal).

Liquor laws in the U.S. are weird and trace back to Prohibition in the 1930s. Hey, maybe even farther back than that -- this is still a Puritan country at heart, you know.

Thus, Google is just trying to stay out of trouble with the law. Can't blame them for that.

bird

10:21 am on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>whoever heard of a beer tasting festivel?
It's called Oktoberfest.

That doesn't sound like you've actually been there...
Nobody goes to the Oktoberfest for "beer tasting". They go there for getting drunk. Do you enjoy sitting in a tent with 3000 drunkards? I don't, which is why I didn't attend for several years, even though it's held in walking distance from my place.

wheelie34

10:37 am on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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exactly so beer is for drunkards (in the eyes of the big G) wine isnt, every where you go on a Sunday morning there is vomit in doorways, from wine? doubt it, from beer and shots DEFINATLY no wonder they wont allow it.

ronin

12:21 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Do you enjoy sitting in a tent with 3000 drunkards?

That would be me and my 2999 friends >;->

Whoever heard of a beer tasting festival?

I'm going to one in Cambridge this weekend, actually.

BeeDeeDubbleU

1:21 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Liquor laws in the U.S. are weird and trace back to Prohibition in the 1930s. Hey, maybe even farther back than that -- this is still a Puritan country at heart, you know.

I was in the USA once on business and I attended a football (OK MLS soccer for the Yanks ;o) match at the Foxboro stadium. I was about 50 years of age at the time and I was refused a drink because I had no ID. I like to think that I am quite young for my age but not THAT young. The US drinking laws are the strangest I have ever enountered. But then there are no alcoholics in the States are there? ;)

every where you go on a Sunday morning there is vomit in doorways, from wine?

Wine is the chosen tipple of many Jakeys and Neds (as they are known in my area). As I said earlier I am not talking about table wine but the fortified stuff that is sickly sweet, attractive to kids and provides a quicker path to oblivion than beer.

I don't think Google makes any classification about the types of wine that they allow. One of the popular brands commonly misused in the UK is actually made by an order of Benedictine monks. How strange is that - monks making booze that can and does turn some young teenagers into drunken, raving lunatics? Incidentally this is responsible for a high volume of the vomit too. I suppose its not the monks' fault that their product is largely consumed by jakeys and neds but they could place Adsense on their site if they wanted to.

Contrast that with the CAMRA people (Google it) who are probably amongst the most responsible of drinkers but who would not, I assume, be entitled to carry Adsense ads on their website.

EVOrange

1:30 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My site happens to be about this very subject. I have mostly wine related events, but also get some postings on Scotch tastings, homebrew beer comptetitions, Single Barrel Bourbon tastings and the like.
I have been running adsense for nearly two years and not had any issues with the ads or Google because of the nature of the site.

EVO

peewhy

1:54 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Let me describe someone, I'm not sure if this is universal but it is certainly typical in the UK.

Cords
Leather/Suede Waistcoat
Brogue shoes
Vast tangled beard
Pipe
Leather tankard.
Tweed jacket with leather elbow patches.

And if Google is listening, large disposable income, net savvy and will happily buy from overseas.

grandpa

3:25 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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That doesn't sound like you've actually been there...

True enough I haven't, and 19 years 5 months and 24 days ago I gave up all reasons for ever wanting to go :-) Before then, hanging out in a tent full of beer drunks might have been fun.

peewhy

4:06 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm talking about CAMRA.

BeeDeeDubbleU

4:29 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I know you are and I loooove real ale but I don;t wear brogues. (I will admit to wearing "sensible" shoes though :o)

BeeDeeDubbleU

4:29 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I know you are and I loooove real ale but I don't wear brogues. (I will admit to wearing "sensible" shoes though :o)

twist

4:58 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I was in the USA once on business and I attended a football (OK MLS soccer for the Yanks ;o) match at the Foxboro stadium. I was about 50 years of age at the time and I was refused a drink because I had no ID. I like to think that I am quite young for my age but not THAT young. The US drinking laws are the strangest I have ever enountered. But then there are no alcoholics in the States are there?

United States is about two and a half times the size of Western Europe.

Where I live in the US we used to happily buy alcohol when we were 16 with no problem and tobacco when we where about 14. If the police caught you drinking underage they would make you dump it out. The laws are just a general guideline, usually the local authorities call the shots. Maybe they are a little uptight in Foxboro.

ddogg

5:18 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's completely idiotic that Google does not allow advertising for beer. They allow it for porn but not beer? Does that make any sense to any of you?

Dayo_UK

5:28 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)



They allow it for neither.

incrediBILL

5:50 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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whoever heard of a beer tasting festivel?

It's called lunch at the pub, a couple times a week.

You try different beers as you go :)

peewhy

6:00 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What about this theory...
Google's legal team are concerned that someone might click an adsense, by some beer online, get drunk, fall over, break a limb and sue Google.

fischermx

6:07 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What about :
Google's legal team are concerned that someone might click an adsense, by some wine online, get drunk, fall over, break a limb and sue Google.

grandpa

6:20 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I've often heard that great minds think alike, but rarely have I seen great webmasters type alike ;)

Dayo_UK

6:23 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)



I've often heard that great minds think alike, but rarely have I seen great webmasters type alike ;) :)

PS - I am drinking wine tonight - but thats OK cos I am over 18,21 and wont sue Google.

olwen

8:30 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In my local supermarket they have wine and beer tasting. The beer taster lines up good local real ale, or perhaps some imported ale. That was where I first tasted wheat beers and belgian fruit beers, and learnt that a malty dark ale might be worth drinking too. Better breweries have beer tasting in the same way that wineries have wine tasting. And here we have a "Blues, Brews & BBQ's" the weekend before or after our big wine festival. Visitors often stay a week to visit both.

PS I also have a customer with a boutique distillery, making fruit flavoured schhapps. They are on the "wine-tasting" circuit as well.

Added: And some of the wineries have them distill some product to brandy which they then sell from the wineries. Mmmmm Gerwurtztraminer brandy.

Chopster

8:47 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm live near Santa Cruz, CA where micro-breweries are king.

The statement made earlier about how you don't see any beer tasting festivals is ignorance. Every year, the San Francisco Bay Area has Micro-Brewery beer tasting festivals throughout many of it's cities.

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