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AdSense Disparity

Why would two extremely similar sites have widely disparte Cost Per Clicks?

         

brownoatmeal

8:57 pm on May 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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A good friend and of mine are in the same business as webmasters of financial related sites focusing on some of the more competitive keywords...

We have some sites that are very similar in terms of content and we actually compete against each other (in the friendliest sense of competition) and often compare notes.

Recently, adsense payouts on his site are a good 40% better than what I'm experiencing on mine! His site has been around longer and does get more traffic (but not significantly more) than mine.

I realize that G does pay out its larger webmasters better than the smaller folks, but the disparity we've seen seems inexplicable and very unbalanced.

While I realize that I cannot count on Google for anything and they will change their ways with a whim, I just don't get this. Can anyone provide any insight on this issue? As understanding it is very important to my business.

Thanks in advance!

B.O.

ZenArcher

2:48 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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According the "Smart Pricing" theorem, we can guess that Google has determined that his site generates more conversions and therefore pays a higher CPC. The difference may lie in the traffic "quality", not quantity.

Do either of you advertise anywhere or do you just count on SERPs?

brownoatmeal

3:53 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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To bring content to the site, we EXCLUSIVELY advertise. No SERP action whatsoever. He dominately uses AdWords. I use several sources, only one of them being Adwords.

Are you saying that if his clickthrough ratio is better, they'll serve him higher paying ads? I'll check, but I believe that both our CTR's are about the same.

Swebbie

4:07 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Can anyone provide any insight on this issue?

It's not difficult to see what's going on. Google clearly does not like brown oatmeal. Simply eliminate any and all references to it and you'll beat the snot out of your friend's results.

Seriously, though, it's probably the result of some variables that you cannot possibly account for completely. Your sites would have to be virtually identical in all ways to get exactly the same results from AdSense. And then, of course, somebody would get the duplicate penalty and the friendship would end horribly. :-)

Rodney

4:08 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Not the clickthrough ratio, but the "conversion" ratio.

If his site is somehow sending better qualified visitors to the adwords advertisers (through Googles SmartPricing), then he will get a better payout percentage.

That doesn't necessarily mean a higher CTR, that can just mean that the people that did click actually were better leads on the advertiser side somehow.

brownoatmeal

4:33 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Sweebie. Our sites are quite similar... Maybe its a good time for me to ask more about this "duplicate penalty" you reference. I would imagine TOS discuses it quite thorougly. What's the kidegarten explanation for what they would consider to be duplicate?

Would the same text but different graphics be enough to be considered non-duplicate sites?

hunderdown

4:57 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)



brownoatmeal, duplicate content is NOT the issue. Text has to be very similar for that to be the problem, and if it was you'd be penalized by Google in searches, not in AdSense.

It's your traffic that's most likely the source of the difference between your two sites. Let's say that your visitors, though equally likely to click on a particular ad, only "convert" (however that's defined by the advertiser) 10% of the time. Your friend's site has visitors that convert 20% of the time. Let's say that ad pays a maximum of $1. Via smart pricing, Google decides that the same ad is worth more to the advertiser on your friend's site than on yours (because it converts twice as often). So a click on his site is worth $1, and a click on yours is worth 80 cents. These are completely made-up numbers, but if you read the AdSense and AdWords documentation it's clear that this is something Google does, in order to make advertisers comfortable with placing ads on the "content network," where there are a wide variety of web sites, with many different demographics.....

Swebbie

5:11 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hunderdown is correct, B.O. The dupe content issue would eventually get one of your sites (yours or your pal's) penalized in their index, but is not the cause of the differing AdSense revenues. As long as your text even just slightly varies from your friends, don't worry about the duplicate content problem. Even code differences that are not visible on the page make pages that might otherwise look the same non-identical to the SE spiders.