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Is there a way to invalidate clicks?

         

cflorin

7:39 pm on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I just got accepted in the Adsense program, and after reading the horror stories of some publishers I thought it would be best if Google wouldn't take into account clicks from my country (I don't want my friends "helping" me).

The problem is I didn't find any way of doing this from within the Adsense account and I don't want to ban the whole country form seing my site (including myself).

Has anybody done this before? And if yes, can you please share?

spaceylacie

8:04 pm on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't think this is something that you really have to worry about. I don't really believe people who say they never told their friends to click.

diamondgrl

4:00 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You don't believe anybody who says they don't ask their friends to click? Why? You have a dim view of ethics, I'm afraid.

I not only don't ask my friends to click, I get a signed contract from every employee, business partner and contractor that states that they understand the importance of not clicking and they are bound to notify me if they do accidentally click an ad on the site.

oddsod

4:48 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I get a signed contract from every employee

Ouch! All it takes is one disgruntled employee then?

spaceylacie

5:07 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well, I can see in some cases, in general though, nah, I don't really believe them.

spaceylacie

5:14 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Oh, I should clear up, I was talking about people who got kicked out because their friends all clicked on their ads, then they claim they never asked their friends to do this.

hunderdown

5:17 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)



diamondgrl, you're kidding?

diamondgrl

5:29 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for clearing that up spaceylacie.

No, I'm not kidding. I am very serious about clickfraud and want to make sure that everybody understands that clicking on ads are strictly verboten. What easier way to do that than a written contract?

My greatest concern, of course, is with my employees since they are on site but no need to take chances with others. One guy I was planning to hire as a contractor thought it strange that I told him not to click on ads and he said he had a clicking program on his home computer. That was the last he heard from me.

Bluepixel

5:51 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's perfectly legal to click on an ad or more ads if you don't own money while doing it.

petra

6:09 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's perfectly legal to click on an ad or more ads if you don't own money while doing it.

Are you insinuating that its okay to ask your friends to click (as they don't "own money while doing it"?

petra

6:17 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No, I'm not kidding. I am very serious about clickfraud and want to make sure that everybody understands that clicking on ads are strictly verboten. What easier way to do that than a written contract?

Not a good idea. As another said before, all it takes is one disgruntled worker. I make it a point not to let anyone know how much money I make from adsense. Some of my direct family don't even know that I make any money out of my websites, they think its just a hobby lol and thats the way you should keep it. Even if your website is a business with employees, why should they know how much money you make? There are other ways of making sure they don't click on your ads one way is by disabling the ads on their computers. Other ways have been discussed on WW.

walkman

6:52 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)



you just told them what your weak point is. If you fire them, they will not click, their friend will...

"I not only don't ask my friends to click, I get a signed contract from every employee, business partner and contractor that states that they understand the importance of not clicking and they are bound to notify me if they do accidentally click an ad on the site."

diamondgrl

8:28 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes, but they work for the business that runs Adsense. Since they are part of the enterprise, it's not like I can keep quiet that I have Adsense.

And having a contract to say that they shouldn't click is a hell of a lot better than being banned from Adsense and then to learn that it was a supposedly well-meaning employee who thought that to ensure job stability, they should click away with reckless abandon. This way, I have legal recourse against the employee/ex-employee and I also have something that I can take to Google to show genuine good faith, assuming there is ever a problem.

petra

9:33 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You're asking for trouble, if Google knew you were doing this I think they would worry, I wouldn't mention it to them if I were you.

oddsod

10:01 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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diamondgrl, the problem is not so much employees as ex-employees.

This way, I have legal recourse

I'm sorry but I don't think you have much legal recourse. How would you prove guilt if an ex-employee did a dirty? The other options e.g. not having Adsense ads show on your office network etc sound like much safer solutions.

Getting contractors/suppliers etc in on the agreement sounds like more bad news.

diamondgrl

12:36 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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But the point about ex-employees is, first, they agree not to click after employment.

And secondly, more importantly, if they are going to screw me, they are going to screw me anyway, legal agreement or not. They obviously know about Adsense and know about the ramifications of fraudulent clicking before the legal agreement.

So I don't see how a legal agreement that says that they are in serious trouble if they do something bad would somehow cause a greater likelihood that they would do that. If that were the logic that most people use in conducting their affairs, it certainly would make no sense to outlaw murder, for example, because the law prohibiting them from doing it can only encourage them to commit the act. It's totally nonsensical.

oddsod

1:05 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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if they are going to screw me, they are going to screw me anyway

And, by disclosing a vulnerability, you're telling them how they can do it. From previous discussions here it seems that some third party clicking from some IP you don't normally use is not as risky as someone using your own IP (the IP you use to check stats) to multiple click on your ads. People like EFV have gotten away with third party attacks of that nature. If your IP is available for others to use I think that agreements are not going to help if someone wants to be malicious. But, that's just me.

Does anyone have a link for the original poster pointing to previous threads where we've discussed ways of protecting your account (maybe that should be a library thread)?

Juan_G

10:09 pm on May 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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There are other ways of making sure they don't click on your ads one way is by disabling the ads on their computers. Other ways have been discussed on WW.

Does anyone have a link for the original poster pointing to previous threads where we've discussed ways of protecting your account (maybe that should be a library thread)?

A few related threads (about the hosts file method for your computer, etc.) are for instance the following:

How to Disable Ads for Own IP & Local Geographic Region
[webmasterworld.com...]

Preventing clicking your own Ads
[webmasterworld.com...]

Is it possible to exclude my IP from Adsense?
[webmasterworld.com...]

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