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My lawyer told me just the other day, that there is always a win-win, win-lose or lose-lose situation (not in regards of Google)
You may win in court but you will lose on antoher place more than you won, .... so sometimes the decission will be made outside of the court.
I believe that Google has good lawyers AND decission maker to decide what is best for Google, ....
They not only punish you just by canceling your account. They want your site to completly disappear from their network.
That's hard to prove, if only because:
- Publishers who engage in shady AdSense tactics may well be engaging in shady SEO techniques that would be enough to hurt their search rankings even if they weren't running AdSense.
- Google has just had another major update, so there's no way to know what would have happened to a site's rankings if AdSense termination hadn't occurred.
Still, let's assume for the sake of discussion that Google is using AdSense termination as a factor in search rankings. Is that a bad thing? On the contrary: It could improve the quality of the AdSense network and Google's SERPs, especially if the search penalty were applied to all domains owned by the terminated publisher (or, at the very least, all domains that have been running the publisher's AdSense code).
Take the case of John Doe, who owns a network of affiliate sites. John enrolls in AdSense, then slaps the AdSense code on his dozen sites. One day he gets greedy and adds a "made for AdSense" scraper site to his collection of domains or adds a "Support this site with your clicks" message above all of his AdSense boxes. Google finds out, and wham! John loses his AdSense account, his outstanding AdSense earnings, and the free traffic that Google has been sending to his sites.
Who's going to mind, except John? Not the user, who won't know or care that John's sites are gone from the index. John may complain that Google is depriving him of an income, but that's like the owner of a roach-infested restaurant complaining that the health inspectors are depriving him of an income by shutting down his greasy spoon.
Obviously, it would behoove Google to tread lightly in cases where terminated publishers deserve the benefit of the doubt. But in cases where publishers have clearly flouted the AdSense TOS, why shouldn't such violations be used as a measure of quality (or a lack of quality) by the Google search algorithm?
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Anyway, I gave up the effort to bring my site to its normal position. It is just a waste of time and energy. I will start a new domain instead.
I still believe that the proud Googles will fall down soon, and will act than more reasonable, ... just let them loose also some money, ...
Google is not the only search engine! Although I still use it most of the time, ...
If you have a spammy site that is no value to anyone then you are opening yourself up to getting the dreaded email from adsense.
I wonder which scenario fits OP?
your audience you will never be booted.Hope that never comes back to bite you. You will probably also believe that every single person in prison did it.
I can't fault them for the above conclusion. Auto manufacturers have done something similar for years, i.e. chance of accident versus chance of lawsuit versus cost of recall (fill in the blank).
Two final thoughts:
1) Someone has already mentioned that google should continue to throw out the webmaster, BUT pay the webmaster up until the day they were thrown out. This seems to be fairly straightforward. Depending on the day of the month that the fraudulent clicks occur, i.e. close to the payment approved date, a webmaster might forfeit a minimum of one month of income for one bad day.
2) Word to the wise, never challenge a hacker to break in or test the limits of a software application. Oracle, the database company made a claim that they were unbreakable. Immediately upon that announcement, David Litchfield, infosec expert, found 24 security holes. See story here: [news.com.com...]
So, what does this have to do with us? The minute you issue a statement about how all these kicked out guys are scum and if you run a real web site you will NEVER be kicked out, you have just issued a challenge. Hopefully none of the types who would feel challenged have an elementary school level understanding of computer networks and web sites. I don't even want to go into detail about how easy it is to disprove the "legit sites won't get kicked out" statement for fear of the real scum bags who might read this thread.
20,000 check # diff would be only the publishers getting paid. So I guess 230,000 make sub $100 per month..
I've been away from WebmasterWorld for a few months so I missed the thread Macro is referring to that found about a 20k difference in check numbers month to month. But assuming that's the case, keep in mind that a publisher is paid whenever the publisher has a balance of $100 or more. So some of those paid each month will be publishers who didn't earn $100 over the previous monthly period, but whose earnings balance crossed the $100 threshold during the previous period. Therefore, if 20k checks are issued each month, some unknown percentage are to publishers who took more than one month to earn $100. We have no way of knowing how many publishers receive a check every month - it could be 1k, it could be 19k or it could be any number in between. At least that's my take.
Someone has already mentioned that google should continue to throw out the webmaster, BUT pay the webmaster up until the day they were thrown out. This seems to be fairly straightforward. Depending on the day of the month that the fraudulent clicks occur, i.e. close to the payment approved date, a webmaster might forfeit a minimum of one month of income for one bad day.
I believe that some terminated publishers do get paid in full. That would make sense: There's a big difference between having an account terminated for fraud and having it terminated for reasons that are beyond the publisher's control.
What do you mean come back and bite me?
How many people do you think believe that they will never be booted from adsense only to find out that they are.
