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The best part of it is the conclusion:
"Just think about the following "solution". If you find somewhere Adsense, just click hundreds of time on one advertiser. The result would be the account of this placeholder of Adsense would be disabled. A new angry Adsense victum is created, ... now lets spin that idea for a week, a month, ... wouldn't make Adsense than NOSENSE anymore?"
Hopefully the Google crew will come up with a solution, ...
Just think about the following "solution". If you find somewhere Adsense, just click hundreds of time on one advertiser. The result would be the account of this placeholder of Adsense would be disabled.
I don't believe it for a minute. Adsense already has too many enemies that if this actually worked to eliminate publishers the whole system would have crashed by now. Invalid clicks suspensions have got to be a little more sophisticated than that.
In fact you do also violate the TOS in the article itself, too. Surprise, surprise, surpise.
So all in all Google is in my opinion cheating!
Regarding the TOS, would it be better just to copy the entire article over here? I thought only who is interested in should read the entire story, ... which will continue.
I guess my suggestion of the solution is right, just click hundreds of times on somebody's Adsense to wake up Google to solve the problem.
Google is not cheating. You agreed that they would have complete control over the relationship when you signed on. At the end of the day, publishers look at their revenue and decide if they should continue. A lot of us make good money from Adsense. Just follow the TOS and you will do OK (or would have).
BTW welcome to webmasterworld!
A lot of us make good money from Adsense. Just follow the TOS and you will do OK (or would have).
Well said :)
A little common sense goes a long way...
If you find somewhere Adsense, just click hundreds of time on one advertiser. The result would be the account of this placeholder of Adsense would be disabled. A new angry Adsense victum is created
Not necessarily. Advertisers on my site have been subjected to major clickbot or nitwit attacks more than once, and I'm still in the program.
If you've got a clean, professional-looking site with worthwhile content, if you're making decent money for Google, and if you notify AdSense Support when you see major anomalies instead of hoping they don't notice or waiting until they come to you, you'll have a better chance of avoiding the "dreaded e-mail."
In a play on words that the author may think is cute he has actually provided the best reason for Google to terminate the partnership - it makes no sense. And they don't need to provide a reason for closing the account, as already pointed out. Please read the TOS (again?).
Publishing the call to action is the best way of advertising that you never want to be re-considered for inclusion. The call to action is not just intended to get people to commit fraud but to get webmasters like all of us thrown out of the program. I can't remember a more despicably vindictive piece of writing. It's only redeeming feature is the hilarious expectation he had of getting a result on the threat of making public his experience. That did raise a smile.
just click hundreds of times on somebody's Adsense
Matt
I earn good money on my sites. Very good money. And, with the volume of visitors I get on my network everyday I'm sure someone's tried fraudulent clicks on my sites more than once but, like EFV, I'm still in the program. If Google has the intention of nobbling publishers to withold money it would make sense for them to do it to those earning the most rather than newbie participants @ $5 a day.
Bear in mind that they use the word "fraud" to cover a wide variety of things from third-party fraudulent clicks to encouraging people to click on your ads to even "minor" violations of TOS like saying "The ads below pay for this site". They also use the word "fraud" to terminate a relationship that they just don't feel like continuing. (They have the same rights that you do to terminate). They don't say you have committed a fraud but technically the chances are that at sometime someone made one fraudulent click on your site. They wouldn't throw out a valued publisher for that but they could certainly use that as an excuse to chuck a spammy or otherwise undesirable site. It's their choice whether they give the reason as not wanting to deal with you or give the reason as "fraudulent" activity.
To ask how they count the earnings is for them the reason to terminate?
To ask why one day 100 impressions with 20 click through gives you nothing, while on another day 6 impression with one click through gives you 10.-? is against the TOS?
To ask to proof what they have encountered is against the TOS?
No answer to questions but just say "We are GOOGLE, therefore we are right, whatever you do you are wrong!"
It is for me CHEATING!
Again, I have not done any click through. Would not even make sense to me, since they put 4 (four!) ads only on my site! NEVER changed it! So which idiot would click on the same ads all the time?
Is Google really so underequipped to distinguish what is fraud and not? Than they are cheating.
Don't continue the thread here, I contionue my explanation on my web sites! Maybe once a shareholder of Google will come up with the question to the management how they distinguish fraud!
Now, as for Google cheating by keeping 1 month's worth of income, that goes against my experience on this forum. A lot of us have been with Adsense since day 1. We have made a lot of money. We have had problems and Adsense has solved them. I have even had a TOS violation once (Fastclick served up a #*$! ad which was another contentextual ad--an honest mistake on my part). Google didn't give me the boot. They spent the time (and it took a few e-mails because fastclick keeps changing the ads of course)to narrow it down for me. And even if Google does give me the boot some day and keeps my one month's income, I have made so much in the meantime that I can only be grateful they provided this service.
and keeps my one month's incomeSorry to be pedantic but it is more likely to be TWO
I have put Adsense - Nonsense away, ... However, I still would like to know why.
You said they answered you what you did wrong and you could solve it, but for me they do not answer, so how can I solve it?
And because I feel not guilty and because I did not get an answer, therefore I feel beeing cheated!
No TOS can change my feeling, if you do not point out what of the TOS I or has been violated!
I have heard now many different stories, what could be wrong, but none of them I could verify as possible.
How about this one:
I get up to 15 google robots at the same time on one of my web sites! Maybe they make the click by themselves? Maybe the programmer of their High sophisticated fraud finder, did not program in their own spider's IP! With my change (tip from Google) to put the ads on each page, but not on login or error pages, it can happen that these (google) spiders click all the time their own ads, ...
Would that be a possibillity? And than again, if so, why not talk about it and find it out? Why just hide and anger people. I did not earn from Adsense. The entire month was below 50 US$, that is for 5 web sites, really not a big deal.
Yes you are right. It is more likely to be closer to two. And even one month's revenue is going to hurt a lot. I am not trying to belittle the loss of 1 month (two months) revenue. But losing a month and a half is the chance I'm willing to take because the payoff in the meantime has been good.
I guess what I really wanted to say is that I doubt Google kicks people out for the sole purpose of keeping one months worth of pay on the site.
It's more an ego thing, isn't it? You want them to provide you reasons and explanations. Maybe you haven't figured it out yet: they won't give it to you (and they don't need to). If Google were not sure about the type of person you are... they've got a better idea now. I feel sorry for them now that I've seen some of the issues they have to deal with.
So you can keep whining about how they "cheated" you ... or you can move on.
Whatever they did or didn't do to you I strongly deplore you encouraging people to get webmasters like me kicked out of Adsense.
Why should anyone here help you with anything if your intention is to get their accounts terminated?
You already stated, that it might be not me, who made something wrong, but there is something wrong.
We all know how a log file looks like, it includes IP addresses. Why can Google just ignore all false clicks? I could live with that! Maybe I still would wonder why the statistic changed and ask, but if it is dropping still, I would not much care.
The way of closing the door is what I critizise, ... you are right they can do it, ... it says in the TOS, ... but it is also right that I may ask THEM though. Some of us reported, they could solve it, ... some of us could get back, some are just ignored.
Google Adsense was for me a bad experience!
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