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Search engine scripts, fraud clicks

Can search engine scripts click on adsense ads

         

blueheaven123

9:07 pm on Dec 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm currently running a search engine script to index my pages, ive been monitoring my adsense account and my clickable rate has risen to 1.8% from 0.6%

Is it possible that my search engine script while indexing my pages is going through and clicking on my ads.

If so , should I email google and tell them about this
Or could I just be going through one of those days where everyone is clicking on my ads.

I have taken down alot of material, to prepare for indexing and changin the ads.

It could be possible that users are clicking on the ads

Or they could be fraud clicks from a competitor.

blueheaven123

1:00 am on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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it seems it wasnt a search engine doing the clicks, because the clicks have continues again today

the rate has risen from 0.4 % to 1.8% from two days ago

should i report this to google or hold on, as it might be contributed to ads being displayed differently
and the new pages...

Jenstar

1:07 am on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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as it might be contributed to ads being displayed differently and the new pages...

This is most likely the reason. Even little tweaking can make big differences in CTR/CPM/earnings.

blueheaven123

1:31 am on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I hope so,
I've just had a second look back at the old design, and although the ads are slightly different, i think
what has made the biggest difference is looking at my logs, and redirecting every error page to the main website.

As there are over 100 different subdomains, everytime someone mispells a url or access a forbidden or unrelated file-or directory, they will get redirected to the main index page.

[edited by: blueheaven123 at 1:33 am (utc) on Dec. 6, 2004]

Palehorse

1:32 am on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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the rate has risen from 0.4 % to 1.8% from two days ago

When I was new to adsense, my rate was below 1. After time went by it suddenly changed to >1 but <2 it was unexplainable and persisted. I believe it was like a "sandbox" of a sort...

Also I experimented with colors and position and got it >2 but <3 :)

Webtoolpros

3:18 am on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In reply to blueheaven123,

I don't think Google really cares if your competitor is fraudulently clicking your ads. You should still report it to them immediately.

I have had competitors click on my ads out of bad heart, and now my account is deleted.

Just make sure you email Google, but I honestly don't think they care.

blueheaven123

4:38 am on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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no i dont think it was the search engine script, as since that time my ctr has remained steady from its initial jump.

What might of happended was that all ads were moved to make way for the search box and optimised with the other pages.

yoyo1

8:04 am on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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and redirecting every error page to the main website.

Are you displaying adsense on that page? If so, that's a tos violation.

DollarKid

9:32 am on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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100% no.. because the the sponsered links are within an iframe, and the code for that iframe isnt even in your pages HTML, it is generated by a javascript.

level80

11:58 pm on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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and redirecting every error page to the main website.
He's not displaying Adsense on the error page, he's displaying it on the page the error page redirects to. There's a subtle difference between the two. ;) One is breach of the TOS, one isn't.

[blueheaven] Even with tens of thousands of pages a day - with a low CTR you will see wild changes in the % as traffic fluctuates (making the random variations less smooth on a day by day basis). One visitor can click more than 1 ad - leading to say a 1500% CTR over 3 impressions which skews the average results for CTR slightly. ;)

yoyo1

12:36 am on Jan 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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One is breach of the TOS, one isn't.

Can anybody confirm this is true? I still believe that is a breach of the tos since it effectively is the error page. If not, I would gladly do the same.

Never_again

12:53 am on Jan 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I completely agree with level80 on this. It is not an error page, but a redirect to your home page. I don't see how this could possibly be a violation of the TOS. You are just displaying AdSense on your home page.

If in doubt, contact the AdSense team and get a ruling.

blueheaven123

12:57 am on Jan 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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no its not a breach because ive redirected to the main page

if someone types

http://widget.com/skdkkd 

then it redirects to
http://widget.com

if this wasnt allowed noone would be able to use error redirects! as everydbody would be in breach

but i see where you're coming from if that redirect was

http://widget.com/error.html

than i agree

no9t9

3:23 am on Jan 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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it seems it wasnt a search engine doing the clicks, because the clicks have continues again today

one time I went to netmechanic to see how long it took for my page to load and to check broken links. the next time i checked my adsense account (which was pretty much 10mins after doing the netmechanic thing), my CTR was up like 4 times normal...

I thought the netmechanic bot clicked the ads when it went to check links.. scared the crap out of me. I thought i was gonna be cancelled for sure.

turns out, the CTR increase was probably due to a layout change on my site that i did before doing the netmechanic thing. I am pretty sure it is the layout change because the CTR increase was sustained from that day on...