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Finally crossed the $4000.00 mark.

It took 2 years

     
6:20 pm on Oct 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I've given up that this would ever happen, but this month's income so far is $4300.00 (few hours left). He-ha! It's been between $3000.00 - $3700.00 for 2 years (usually $3200), and I just couldn't increase it despite adding and adding original articles (total now is 1400 articles). Then about 6 months ago my income dropped to $1800.00... I stopped adding new articles and started a fight against the content thieves (I complained about this is July 2007). It has paid off...

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Can I ask how many sites you have and how to manage many sites? Is adsense a number game?

I have heard that I have to have 100 sites in order to make big money from adsense, but I am wonder how can I create content and in the same time marketing all of them in limited 24 hours a day?

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"I have heard that I have to have 100 sites in order to make big money from adsense, but I am wonder how can I create content and in the same time marketing all of them in limited 24 hours a day?"

That is a gross generalisation that is wrong - some people have one site that makes them a fortune, others do well with the model you described (many smaller sites), whilst others (like my humble self) have a hand full of sites with a focus on two - and don't make significant amounts of money.

It depends on you, your competitors and the market how far you will get - so don't trust general rules of the thumb. There is no such thing as a general recipe to success.

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jimmychuang,

I have only 1 site with Adsense.

8:38 am on Nov 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Has your site existed before you implemented AdSense? In my experience, age is a big deal - especially with sites that have been around for more than 5 years.
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>> Has your site existed before you implemented AdSense? In my experience, age is a big deal - especially with sites that have been around for more than 5 years.

Initially the site had only one subdomain with 6 pages (now more than 5 years old). Put Adsense on one page in June 2005.

Second subdomain was launched in December 2005. It did very well in the serps from the start.

First subdomain still has the same 6 pages with Adsense on one page; second subdomain now has 1400+ pages with Adsense on nearly every page.

Launched a third subdomain more than 6 months ago (for a product, no Adsense), but it's still not on the first page if you search for the product name, which is a unique name, even though it has 250 pages relevant to this product. It is outranked by old sites with one page about this product.... I am considering to discard the third subdomain and just add it to my old product site, which I started in 1999...

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One site here as well. Established in '02. Didn't start adsense until early '08. Crossed the $8K mark in October. Apprx 15,000 daily page views. CTR quite good of late.

...and it's construction/housing/remodeling related...go figure.

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LostOne, this is extremely good - I am impressed. All my sites are in tourism and it is very hard to rank well. Apparently even harder to generate revenue with Google AdSense.

Do you think that hobby websites (which includes construction/DIY) is generally better for AdSense?

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HuskyPup: I think generally one can expect a 2% CTR and maybe 5 Dollars as eCPM. This is an average figure, though, so see what I said above about generalisations and rules of thumbs :)
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4K? Wow, congrats. Good incentive for us newbies! Just had my first few adsense clicks - now broken the $4 mark, lol. Ah well, gotta start somewhere eh?
On the issue of copyright - how can you prove you own the copyright? I have about 200 pages of info that took a very long time to write, and would be extremely unhappy if it was stolen......
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Actually, I guess I should ask that question in the 'copyright' section of the forum - sorry! Congrats on the 4K again, though!
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Would someone please sticky me the URL of one of these sites making $4000 to $10000 a month!

Thanks

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Would someone please sticky me the URL of one of these sites making $4000 to $10000 a month!

Why? Just google it and you will plenty of people showing their fat adsnese income cheques.
9:33 pm on Nov 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

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What would I Google?
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what's the average cpm that got you this 4k?
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Hi guys, nice to see others in the same boat, same earnings range. Was $4k average two years ago, hit $6k one month. Then got dropped 4 times from the index that year. Haven't added much to the site since then. Traffic is steady around 4k per day, 8k pv's give or take, but am averaging just below the $4k mark thanks in part to the changes in CTR... I guess we had accidental clicks?

but the scary part is CTR continues to drop since Sept, down a full 2% from the rest of the year. Nothing else has changed. No idea what's what.

Ricki: Local news doesn't pay - probably the same 4k people, more or less, anyway "News" isn't a buying frame of mind or a research to buy frame of mind. And most local people don't know about Adsense, it will be 10 years before that really starts to make anything. I'd sell local banners and put on tribal fusion... 60k pv's a day, you could probably make $40-$60 a day on banners alone!

Also, few will show you their site, afraid you'd copy it or sabotage it.

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Wolfadeus: Did you check the CPM's of the topics of your site before you created? Are they in the buying stream in any fashion? These are crucial components.

If I were to do it all over again, I'd go for some kind of review site. Problem is new products are out all the time, so its constant work and the old stuff doesn't monetize.

I have one small site, 80 pages, makes about $2.30 a day. No additional work required. Be nice to have another 49 sites like that...

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Thanks for posting your success Susan. You've done so well considering your traffic. I'm averaging over 100,000 PV per day to over 12,000 users and not near your range (but have been on one or two occasions). I think having diverse topics is a key to a successful adsense site - all my pages are a niche market with one topic which will always be my hurdle. I have recently decided to stop focusing all efforts on this one site and started a second site to diversify.
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Great work. It is always nice to hit a milestone!

Be aware that with success comes potential problems. The more popular your site becomes and the more money you make, the more competitors will start popping up.

Years ago my market was dominated by 3-4 sites (including mine). We were a little known niche that was doing really well in serps and making a decent buck riding under the radar.

Well in the last few years my niche has become much more popular, and as such our traffic has gone up, but our competition has shot up as well. We went from having less than 10 competitors to having hundreds of competitors just within 2 years.

So now instead of spending the majority of our time improving and growing our site, we have to deal with battling DMCA violations, scrapers, hackers and a boatload of other crap that we never had to worry about before...

But congrats none the less... ;-)

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honestly, do you guys work for google?

If you have that much traffic, why use adsense and send people to other sites? I certainly hope it's not the only way you monetize the traffic

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Drazek-

Most online advertising involves sending visitors to another site. The trick is to use a placement that is secondary to your content. That way you make money when folks are done with your site and ready to leave.

Espn, NyTimes, etc all use online ads that when clicked direct users to another site. Magazines run ads geared towards directing readers to a website. Radio stations run ads that direct folks to websites. This is not a new concept.

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point taken .. now that I got someone's attention, maybe you can tell me - what did it take you to get to $4k/month from adsense .. in terms of traffic, cpms, spend etc

just trying to have an constructive discussion here .. i noticed people start these threads to brag about their revenue, but when asked for details by people like rickigou above they go silent or reply with simple 'NO'

don't get me wrong - I understand you don't want to give out your urls or do anything that's against TOS .. however it might be to your advantage to share a little more, b/c if you have a website with traffic that I think could generate you this $4k at say $15ecpm than you can possibly od much better with other forms of monetization

using your espn, nytimes for example - do you know a percentage of their revenue that's adsense generated?

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Fair enough. I will try to share some of my insight. I make considerably more than 4k a month from Adsense. Overall Adsense makes up about 50% of my income streams. In-text links (Kontera), CPM banners, affiliate programs round out the other 50%.

For me, reaching this level of income was directly related to the time I spent building a useful service/site. You must offer more than just good content. Offer a free service that people can't get at most other sites. This is where you need to get creative. Do some research in your niche, perhaps aggregate your research into a tool you offer your visitors.

Once you have found a free tool that folks find useful, you can start to grow the site by both advertising and word of mouth. Content helps incredibly. Perhaps your free tool helps bring in new content?

I hope this is making sense. Sites that grow this large need more driving them than one person posting articles. You need to harness the power of the masses.

How did YouTube grow so much? Because they offered a free place for the world to post videos and share them. That is the idea I'm trying to get across.

Hope this helps.

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Drazek: "I think could generate you this $4k at say $15ecpm than you can possibly od much better with other forms of monetization"

What would you like to share here that would garner a $16 CPM on average?

Either an affiliate program that nets 1 sale per every 20 visitors? And pays at $15 per sale? (I look at ANY ad having an average of a 2% CTR as excellent...)

I haven't found any affiliate stuff that's been worth our bother at all.

Especially if you have diverse content. Then what, constantly updating 100's of pages with affiliate programs?

Affiliate programs are great way to advertise a business but I'm not impressed at what it does for a publisher.

It needs to be its own business.

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Undead Hunter: Do you mean the CPM that I offer for advertising space?
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okay we're going in circles here

plain and simple - what a lot of us would like to find out from a person that makes $4k from adsense is

1) how much traffic do you get
2) net or gross? - how much do you spend to get the traffic
3) whatever you can share about ctr, cpms

You can stay anonymous if you want, but offer something other than pointless bragging and pitching for google

and hunter .. i'm not trying to sell anything here .. what you're asking would probably require a seperate thread not to change the subject

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The details you are asking will vary greatly from site to site, so without knowing the actual niche/site, the data is not very valuable.

Plus, you can do the math yourself to see what it takes for the varying eCPMs that folks make:

$5/eCPM requires 800,000 pageviews to make 4k/month.
$10/eCPM requires 400,000 pageviews...
$20/eCPM requires 200,000 pageviews...

Regarding folks sharing their advertising budget, I would bet that many folks making the big bucks do very little purchasing of traffic. I don't spend a dime.

Again, if you read my post above, it is more about what you are offering to the community that makes it a success. Not many folks succeed at buying enough traffic to make a site successful. That can be helpful to build your brand... but ultimately you need to have something of value to offer your visitors to keep them coming back and keep them talking about your site.

Hope this helps.

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@Max: Brilliant, man. Brilliant. Thanks for sharing.

@Wolf: I mean, when you started your site, did you use Google Keyword Tools to estimate the kind of CPM you could get for your topics? I like to use the 2% CTR rule - even though overall CTR tends to be higher than that - for estimating the kind of CPM or CPC that a topic will bring in.

@Drazek: All the information you want is already here, in this thread and others. Re-read it more carefully. All the income here is gross, but *net* is just labour. So when I say $4k, that's what I live on every month. But costs beyond my hosting of $9.95 a month and my domain fees? $0 per month. People have already shared unique visitor AND pv traffic in a few comments, you can work the CPM from that. CTR is different on EVERY site, pretty much, even within my own site.

I figured it out by reading, re-reading, and testing ideas from threads. What Max alone wrote is more than enough to solve your problems. NO one is going to give everything away: The reason we are all here and contributing is that we recognize enough truth from each other, and our experience.

Hell, beware anyone who does give it all away. Like the guys that sell the ebooks on how to make millions on Adsense: what they do is make a ton of money for a few months, and as the idea gets found and exploited, they resell it to other people for a huge profit. I'm not into that kind of short term thinking.

Finally, check AdSense Case Studies posted by Google for ideas for sites, layouts, and how it all works.

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thanks guys

the math you're quoting is 'scary' .. congrats on the traffic, but how long did it take you to get to this level - say 200k pageviews? especially that you're both saying it's 100% free seo .. obviously you're not counting your time and effort when you say costs are $0, right?

but it does answer my question kind of - see, I thought you get something others don't - like 1000 cpms ;)

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@Undead Hunter - Thanks!

@Drazek - For me, it took literally years and years to reach substantial traffic levels. I spent almost 4 years building up my site before I even turned a profit! This was before Adsense even existed. Also worth noting, only half my traffic comes from search engines... the other half is repeat visitors/bookmarks/links/etc.

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How long it takes depends on a lot of things. If you can come up with something unique that goes viral, it can take days or weeks or months. With other things, years. I started a site in 1998 for a specific type of annual event that I liked and sometimes had a hard time finding. Pretty soon I was the single source with the most information on this particular type of event in the state. Turned out nobody had ever thought to compile this information this way before. I never really promoted it till the last couple years (via AdWords) but every year it gets featured in most of the state newspapers, TV stations and the state puts a link to it on our .gov site. Took about two years to get to that point. (Unfortunately it's so niche that it's only REALLY busy for about a month, but it generates up to 80k pageviews per day, and a pretty sizable chunk of AdSense dough (well into four figures) I've since done the same thing with a few other seasonal events.

But I have plenty of other sites that just sorta lay there, too. Mostly because I'm pretty good at starting stuff, but not so much at finishing them.

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