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FedEx club members. Cross your heart and wait for the verdict.

Google starts to scrutinize heavily on your account

         

FromRocky

8:34 pm on Sep 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Google starts to scrutinize heavily on some of the high earnings AdSense accounts which monthly revenues are over $10K a day. Even if these accounts have nothing against TOS, some penalties can be imposed on these accounts. I know two accounts fall under this category.

The first one is using both AdSense ads and Adsense Websearch on the same page. Google has removed the AdSense ads on the Search pages.

The second one has 10K+ web pages for the high paid keywords or terms. Google has completely removed this website from the Google search engine. However, the AdSense ads can be shown on this web site.

These are just two I know but there are many out there.

Although, Google did not disable the AdSense accounts, I expect their revenues will be greatly reduced.

Any publishers which have very high earnings cross your heart and wait for the verdict.

Good luck!

woodrow22

9:04 pm on Sep 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I keep seeing post here saying adsense and AdSense for search arent allowed on the same page, this is not true...

From the google FAQ:

8. Can I display AdSense for search and Google ads on the same web page?
Yes. You can place an AdSense for search box on any page that meets our program policies, even if you're already showing Google ads on that page. Searches from the AdSense for search box will lead to a Google-hosted results page that is also monetized with Google ads, allowing you to monetize all aspects of your site.

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Why do people keep saying it's not allowed?

dvduval

12:15 am on Sep 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I suppose a higher scrutiny level would be needed when there is more money involved. I also expect that as the web becomes more segmented over time that Google will come to depend on larger accounts to deliver ads as Google loses share on search. It is important for Google to maintain a good relationship with high volume accounts.

Visit Thailand

12:47 am on Sep 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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monthly revenues are over $10K a day

Do you mean over US$10K per day or per month.

I doubt there are many sites doing over US$10K per day, but I guess for those that do scrutinization is to be expected as it is even for lesser sites.

Also FromRocky can I ask where you get this info from?

JuniorOptimizer

9:39 am on Sep 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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For $10K per day I'd check with a lawyer.

I assume this is a "site scraper"?

iProgram

10:38 am on Sep 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The second one has 10K+ web pages for the high paid keywords or terms. Google has completely removed this website from the Google search engine. However, the AdSense ads can be shown on this web site.

Does this site spam google or violate the DMCA? If the contents of that site are relevant enough, why google disabled the revenue of itself? Using traffic from Google to earn AdSense money is a business model of a lot of webmasters. If the final result of using AdSense is "completely removed from the Google search engine", I won't use AdSense any more.

alika

10:50 am on Sep 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If the final result of using AdSense is "completely removed from the Google search engine"

If this is true, imagine how many publishers are using Adsense. Imagine how many will be complaining loudly if they were yanked out of the search engine. Imagine the loss Google will incur if they remove the best free source of traffic for their Adsense publishers.

G only removes Adsense publishers violating their rules. Scraper sites for example.

Bluepixel

11:21 am on Sep 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I just checked if one scrapper I know is still in the index, and the site is not there. But I'm not sure if it was there before, but I guess yes because the site shows many backlinks.

Anyway, nice to see that the site isn't ranked in google anymore.
:-)

alika

11:37 am on Sep 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Someone made a post here before complaining that G terminated their account from Adsense. The person was complaining that they don't have fraudulent clicks, that their site is clean, etc. In short, that he was innocent.

Only to find that his "clean" site is a scraper site. G may have approved his site a year ago, but after a review content was deemed unacceptable in the program. His site, though, looked VERY professional, great site design, except that the content is, well...

So if anyone here complains that they are innocent when G terminates their account, always remember that there are two sides to a story.

Jenstar

12:30 pm on Sep 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The second one has 10K+ web pages for the high paid keywords or terms. Google has completely removed this website from the Google search engine. However, the AdSense ads can be shown on this web site.

Whether or not a site appears in Google has nothing to do to with the Google natural search results. AdSense states that it has nothing to do with the results. Yes, revenue would be down, as it would for any site not in the Google index, but there is some other reason that is not AdSense related as to why that site no longer appears in the search results. Many sites running AdSense cannot be found in the search engine, and it does not mean that publisher will be suspended. This site was not removed from the Google search index because it happens to earn a lot of money in AdSense.

Google has removed the AdSense ads on the Search pages.

Are you certain there are not other circumstances at play here, such as terms violations? If a publisher is populating the search box with a pre-typed search query (ie. the search box already appears on the site with a keyword typed in) or if the publisher has text links on the page that would lead to search results (ie. Looking for "high paying keyword"? Click here) I could see that AdSense could prevent the publisher from showing ads on search result pages based on this.

Yes, there are reasons why publishers come under scrutiny, but I don't think that the amount of earnings is a flag unless there is corresponding fraudulent-suspect changes. This could include a publisher who made $300 in August but already has $7000 for September. Or someone with a much higher number of clicks over the previous month, without corresponding changes on the account that could be responsible for it.

my2cents

12:44 pm on Sep 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So if anyone here complains that they are innocent when G terminates their account, always remember that there are two sides to a story AND that G is not right 100% of the time.

gopi

2:05 pm on Sep 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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As Jenstar posted I dont think the sites was removed because of adsense earnings , i think this would have happened even if the sites just carried affiliate links!

iProgram

2:32 pm on Sep 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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G only removes Adsense publishers violating their rules. Scraper sites for example

But why google only removed scraper sites from SERP? Anyway, it's good to see google starts to fight with scraper sites.

As Jenstar posted I dont think the sites was removed because of adsense earnings , i think this would have happened even if the sites just carried affiliate links!

If the scraper site did not use AdSense and generated $10k/month, will google know this scraper site? There are still a lot of scraper sites and some of them are using AdSense, without any problem.

hyperkik

2:46 pm on Sep 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Google removed the site only from its SERPs because that decision is independent of whether or not a site can display AdSense ads. If a webmaster complies with the AdSense TOS, but violates the search engine TOS, there is no reason why the two divisions would have to coordinate their response and either allow or disallow everything.

Jenstar

3:56 pm on Sep 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If the scraper site did not use AdSense and generated $10k/month, will google know this scraper site?

It was not neccessarily AdSense that found the site. There are publishers who report sites they see that violate the AdSense terms and policies, and AdSense investigates the site in question (and possibly other sites on the same publisher's account). That is one reason why I don't feel that 10K a month earnings means an automatic quality check by AdSense.

FromRocky

4:26 pm on Sep 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I keep seeing post here saying adsense and AdSense for search arent allowed on the same page, this is not true...

This was my observation from the first site.
“The first one is using both AdSense ads and Adsense Websearch on the same page. Google has removed the AdSense ads on the Search pages.”

I should rewrite the above sentence. The site is using both AdSense ads and the result of Google WebSearch on the same page. Google has removed the AdSense ads on the result page of Google Search.

This leads me to believe that Google does not allowed to put AdSense Ads on the result page of Google WebSearch. These are my reasons:

1. The result page has already included the “Ads by Google” at the top and also at the bottom of the page. Since the AdSense ads (content ads) and “Ads by Google” (search ads) are independent, some of their ads can be identical. As you know that you can display a multiple ad units on a web page but no ad will be the same.

2. If you can use the AdSense on the result page, the content of your AdSense is the result of Google web search. There is no creation from yourself. This clearly indicates that the site is only made for AdSense.

3. I and many publishers don’t need to create new contents, just flood the SERP’s with the Google search with AdSense on the result page. It’s so easy to do. All of these pages will be identical except the Logo.

There will be more but I haven't thought of yet.

FromRocky

4:40 pm on Sep 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Do you mean over US$10K per day or per month.

Thanks for pointing out the typo. As the title of this thread “FedEx club members…” indicates, the earnings should be US$10K+ per month.

Also FromRocky can I ask where you get this info from?

My observations

Google has removed the AdSense ads on the Search pages

Are you certain there are not other circumstances at play here, such as terms violations?

I did not see other violation but there may be. As I mentioned in the previous post (msg #16), these are just my observations.

croky

1:12 am on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Can anyone give me a description what a scraper site is. Im not english :)

sandor

5:36 am on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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i know someone that got a letter from adsense saying clicks from a specific domain (the main earner for that person's adsense account) would no longer be counted because the site went against their program policies.

so the person emailed them back asking nicely what exactly the problem is with the site, what specific rule was broken etc. ... adsense responded within a week saying it was a mistake, sorry for the inconvenience and that the URL was now re-enabled.

so just stick to the rules and don't click your own ads and you 'should' be :)

bird

8:31 am on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I should rewrite the above sentence. The site is using both AdSense ads and the result of Google WebSearch on the same page. Google has removed the AdSense ads on the result page of Google Search.

Did something change? Aren't "normal" AdSense ads on search result pages prohibited in the TOS? And I don't think it matters which kind of search it is.

Macro

12:35 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Can anyone give me a description what a scraper site is

Scrapers, also sometimes referred to as Scraper Scum, are sites posing as directories who have almost zero original content. They "scrape" content from other sites, usually just a snippet or two from each page (maybe just headings and descriptions) to try to stay outside of blatant copyright violations. The scraping of content from thousands/millions of other sites and putting them together to autogenerate tens of thousands of pages, all showing Adsense ads, is something that Adsense is now waking up to and doing something about. But there's no harm to drawing Google's attention to it if you see it happening.

Once you've seen one or two of these sites you'll recognise them immediately. Their pages look like SERPS but with some significant differences including the fact that the pages are static, each page is optimized for a particular keyword/s and comes complete with description and other meta tags not normally found on SERPs. Also, sometimes, you'll find that none of the links on their pages work. So they're using your snippets purely for keyword and associated keyword value and they have no interest in sending you any visitors... unless it's via Adsense/other ad network.

I think that the reputation of the Adsense program can only benefit from Google checking up on the bigger earners (some of them could be the above type of sites) but I don't think Google apply an automatic check the moment you reach 10K.

[edited by: Macro at 12:45 pm (utc) on Sep. 20, 2004]

sandor

12:43 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Aren't "normal" AdSense ads on search result pages prohibited in the TOS?

they DO allow it now ..

croky

2:18 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the description macro!