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Emulate AdSense ad block

         

mikomido

1:42 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)



I wanna write my own exactly-like-AdSense blocks to show with static ads when the ads cannot be shown, or to rotate.

Has anyone made some sort of CSS example of this?

mikomido

4:39 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)



Anyone know/tried?

fredw

5:26 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I did this, but it was more html than CSS, so it's not that easy to share...

YOU SHOULD BE AWARE, however, if you're considering doing this, that I believe it is against Adsense TOS to have an Adsense clone (even your own) on any pages of your site where Adsense is showing on other pages (not just on the same page).

My original reading of the TOS was that an Adsense clone could not appear on the same page with Adsense, but now I am pretty sure the TOS demands no site share ads with Adsense and an Adsense clone on a site-wide basis. (Don't go by my word, check the TOS yourself.)

I created an Adsense clone that I use for my own websites only, but I only use it on sites that currently do not have Adsense on them at all.

mikomido

6:10 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)



Well, it wouldn't say "Ads by Google", but "Advertisements" or something more generic. Surely that must be allowed? I mean... what the hell? They can't control what I do on pages that don't show their ads!

fredw

6:39 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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From Google AdSense Program Policies (Last updated: May 2007):

Competitive Ads and Services
In order to prevent user confusion, we do not permit Google ads or search boxes to be published on websites that also contain other ads or services formatted to use the same layout and colors as the Google ads or search boxes on that site. Although you may sell ads directly on your site, it is your responsibility to ensure these ads cannot be confused with Google ads.

Notice it says "to be published on websites that contain other ads ... on that site", not "on pages that contain other ads ... on that page".

mikomido

6:41 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)



"ensure these ads cannot be confused with Google ads"

Isn't that what I do if I don't have "Ads by Google" on my own emulated box?

jomaxx

6:48 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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"...formatted to use the same layout and colors..."

Just use a distinctly different design and you're fine.

fredw

6:58 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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mikomido: That cannot be answered here. One would think, but the quote from the TOS implies not. To be sure, you'd have to email Google support on this.

jomaxx: Obviously. But my original concern was, he wanted to "write my own exactly-like-AdSense blocks". That's what I was warning about.

[edited by: fredw at 7:01 pm (utc) on Sep. 11, 2007]

jomaxx

7:00 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I know it's obvious, but it apparently needed to be said again.

mikomido

7:01 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)



"Just use a distinctly different design and you're fine."

What would be the point of this? This completely invalidates the entire discussion.

netmeg

7:02 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Then I think you have your answer. You want ads that at short glance will be assumed to be Google AdSense ads, and Google says you can't do that. In both cases, the intent is pretty clear.

mikomido

7:14 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)



"In both cases, the intent is pretty clear."

So what's wrong with it, then? Since the intention is obviously to have a consistent site layout.

JS_Harris

8:15 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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When creating an adsense block there is an option to show ads from another location if adsense finds none to show. Upload an image to it's own page and provide that as the alternate url.

Am I missing something or is that basicaly what you are trying to do?

BigDave

8:17 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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They can't control what I do on pages that don't show their ads!

But they can control whether you are allowed to show AdSense ads at all.

mikomido

8:17 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)



An image? Yes, you are very much misunderstanding me. I'm talking about having my static ads emulating the Google AdSense feel, but not having "Ads by Google" of course.

Gibble

8:34 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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That's precisely what they don't want.

Look at it from their point of view.

A person is browsing your site, sees google ads are in position X, browses some more, still google ads, browses some more, and then sees an ad that is off target, offensive, etc in the spot, and looking very similar to the google ads, that person just assumes it's a google ad, they don't look for "ads by google". And you've tarnished the google brand.

Now, I'm not saying anything YOU advertise would do this, but it COULD happen, and thus, to protect their image, their terms of service forbid this kind of behavior.

You can still put ads in the same spot, but make them DIFFERENT. change the colour on them drastically so they visually don't look like anything like the google ads, but still blend into your sites theme. This shouldn't be too hard.

mikomido

8:36 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)



Well, no, it would not be hard technically. But it looks lame visually. I want consistency. But yeah... I see your point. But still, the "Ads by MySite" should really reveal that it's not a Google ad.

Hrm.

Gibble

8:38 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Except, who reads that? If you've seen google ads once, anything that looks like them will be presumed to be another google ad. Especially if that's the only difference.

mikomido

8:51 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)



Gibble: So, since Google doesn't think people read who hosts the ad, can I say that "I didn't read the ToS" if they ban me as a defence?

tim222

8:55 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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An image? Yes, you are very much misunderstanding me. I'm talking about having my static ads emulating the Google AdSense feel, but not having "Ads by Google" of course.

Actually, I think the Google ad is an image. Here are a bunch of samples for you:

[google.com...]

However I agree with the others. I think that by emulating the Google AdSense feel, you will violate the TOS.

jomaxx

8:58 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Why even ask if you don't want to hear the answer? You're trying to do EXACTLY what Google tells you not to do. The only course left is to go ahead and do it anyways, and see what happens.

mikomido

9:00 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)



"Actually, I think the Google ad is an image."

What on Earth are you talking about?

tim222

9:03 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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What on Earth are you talking about?

An image, as opposed to text. Do you think the ads are text? I don't.

tim222

9:09 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Do you think the ads are text? I don't.

Further, if they are image-based, as opposed to text, then CSS doesn't really apply, except for positioning. But I assume you're talking about style (i.e., font family, font weight, font size, color, etc), rather than CSS.

Frankly, I think I could emulate an AdSense ad (using either Photoshop or typing HTML code in notepad) in alot less time than you have spent discussing it. Don't worry about others' opinions. Just do it.

mikomido

9:37 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)



I'm only talking about text ads, of course.

tim222

9:39 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I think the text ads are images with text in them.

jomaxx

9:58 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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They're not. I don't recommend the experiment, but if you're extremely careful you can highlight the text and see that it's not an image.

Duskrider

10:10 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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So, since Google doesn't think people read who hosts the ad, can I say that "I didn't read the ToS" if they ban me as a defence?

Sure you can, in much the same way you could tell a police officer you didn't see the speed limit sign after he clocks you going 75 mph in a school zone.

The results will end up being about the same.

koan

10:20 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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The results will end up being about the same.

Indeed. He seems adamant in getting kicked out of the program. Let him do it. Displaying adsense is not a right, you don't debate the rules and guidelines, you take it or leave it.

tim222

10:27 pm on Sep 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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They're not. I don't recommend the experiment, but if you're extremely careful you can highlight the text and see that it's not an image.

Well I'll be darned. You're correct.

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