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>> want to make sure Adsense keeps these complaints to themselves
they do, they wouldn't reveal to anyone how they found out they should ban them, guaranteed
geez, if that was true they might have to tell us how many sites have gotten banned over the years from things posted on these boards ;)
>> and that the offending site won't "after they get booted" look in their logs, find my Isp and then start slamming my site with invalid clicks
there is no way the site in question could isolate this to you, unless they get no visitors aside from you, which is highly unlikely
actually they are violating the YPN tos, not the adsense tos. adsense allows competing contextual ads as long as they look different. YPN on the other hand doesn't allow it at all.
These ads look identical other than ads by goooogle and the ads by yahoo branding - same color, format etc.
A definite NO for both companies.
Wow! When did THAT change? When WE joined it was ANY other "contextual ads".
What has it got todo with you!
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coosblues why would you bother reporting somebody for that!What has it got todo with you!
I respectfully disagree. Abuse is abuse. That's like saying if you saw abuse somewhere else, as long as it did not affect you it's OK? There's a serious flaw in your reasoning. I was an advertiser at one time. How do the advertisers feel? Those ads could be well-placed on a site which follows Terms of Service. There is only a limited number of ads out there, and they should go to those who play by the rules.
If the Brand Name acquires a bad reputionation, it will lose the better advertisers and all legitimate publishers who use AdSense will suffer as a result.
I say this because....
Once, I had all yahoo on one nitch. I switched back to Adsense, and yet my YPN earnings were continuing to accumulate. When I located the problem, I had one YPN adblock at the bottom of the page, on only a few pages, I had overlooked. It was an honest mistake. An honest mistake that almost gave me a stroke. I have never worked so fast in my life... broke out in a sweat. Truely paniced.
Imagine had this OP came along, and reported me, during that period of time, and I lost my income, not because I deliberately broke the TOS, tried pulling some bogus scheme, but because maybe I hadn't had my eyeglasses on that day I switched back to Adsense.
Shame on you. Go back to work and worry about your own website. You are not the ePolice. Better yet, give me your website address, and I will watch your site for TOS errors for you, while you run around policing others.
Time to get real! Why should the majority of publishers follow the rules and let others slip through the cracks. By the way, this site is no accident - it's blatant abuse. I've done the same thing you have in the past. Accidentally run ads where they should not be, but in was an honest mistake. I've been watching this site for some time, and after looking at their code they are using "adserver" to display their ads. It is not set up correctly and I did not jump on them when I first saw the abuse. I waited a few days to see if they would find their error and they did not. You just don't get it, but maybe you would if you were paying for ad space yourself. Advertisers pay a premimum while publishers get a pittance of the total payment. I am a publisher, so I'm not concerned about what they are making - I'm concerned about what the advertisers are losing. In your case "ignorance is not bliss".
In one recent case where I reported a violation, the site has fixed the problem (putting images right beside the ad to make it look like the picture & ad are related). It took maybe a week or two. I don't know if it was an honest mistake or not, I don't care. I don't want to see anyone banned, but if they're violating the TOS, then they should be given the opportunity to correct things. In this recent case, they fixed the violation and I'm happy.
Don't worry about it.
Shame on you. Go back to work and worry about your own website. You are not the ePolice. Better yet, give me your website address, and I will watch your site for TOS errors for you, while you run around policing others.
Shame on the OP?
No, shame on YOU and your short sightedness.
If we don't report violations, especially serious ones, then the AdSense network goes to hell and advertisers pull out and we all lose money in the long run. I'm not suggesting spending time hunting down violations, but I've reported probably close to 100 so far and many fixed the problems but others were so bad they were banned from the network.
Shame on you. Go back to work and worry about your own website. You are not the ePolice. Better yet, give me your website address, and I will watch your site for TOS errors for you, while you run around policing others.
Shame on the OP?
No, shame on YOU and your short sightedness.
Shame besides, couldn't he just tell the site owner about that? He had his address, he could do that as he could take the time to email adsense as well.
Sometimes, there are honest mistakes.
Even in real world law, it's not the same punishment to kill someone in a car accident than if you shoot a person, right? So, it seems even laws have the capability to say mistakes apart from blatant violations.
Couldn't he?
You can'at assume all instances are oversights, I believe everyone that has been in this a while can say this has happened at one time or another, but if the site is filled with ads set-up that way...that is no error and should be reported.
Let's use some common sense, when I was growing up my parents taught me to only tell someones secret if they or someone else would get hurt by the secret. In this case, it's not the advertiser or the publish...it is the system we hold so dear :)
PS.I don't think advertisers really lose money on this deal unless people are clicking the ads, and if the ad copy is written to attract a certain visitor to click it may actually still be a benefit.
Even in real world law, it's not the same punishment to kill someone in a car accident than if you shoot a person, right? So, it seems even laws have the capability to say mistakes apart from blatant violations.
Not up to us to decide. We're not the judge and jury, Google is. All we're doing is pointing out a possibly iffy situation to Google - it's up to Google to investigate and decide what action they want to take. I know for a fact they haven't outright banned everyone I've sent them, so I assume that in some cases, they decided the site was okay, or else just warned the publisher.
Not up to us to decide.
Didn't he make a decision?
He decided he had to report. And he did judge the site prior to do that.
Please, don't try to confuse with Jesus-like speech.
Didn't he make a decision?
He decided he had to report. And he did judge the site prior to do that.
Reporting is a lot different than punishing. We can make a judgment and decide to report something, but we can't do anything more about it than that. I don't have enough clout to get a site pulled out of AdSense, no matter how much I complain about it. If you do, good on you.
But that's the first time in my life that I ever got accused of Jesus-like speech. Wow!
Not up to us to decide.
We can make a judgment and decide to report something...
Please, take your coffee first ;)
Shame besides, couldn't he just tell the site owner about that? He had his address, he could do that as he could take the time to email adsense as well.
Sometimes, there are honest mistakes.
I would NEVER EVER EVER directly contact another AdSense publisher about a problem on their site unless it was someone I know, like some peeps on WebmasterWorld.
Why?
Because some people aren't so nice and you never know if it's some SE spamming MFA that wouldn't think twice about tracking down all your sites and clicking you right into an "I'VE BEEN BANNED!" thread.
Bad bad advice, just let Google deal with it.
if it's some SE spamming MFA that wouldn't think twice about tracking down all your sites
Yes I know, not everybody can afford the $2,000 setup fee for a hotmail email account each time you want to remain anonymous.
Having said that, I've only reported a half-dozen or so sites ever. I don't encounter that many flagrant violations, and I can't be bothered to report marginal ones. I doubt I would have taken the trouble to report the site described in the OP.
Yes I know, not everybody can afford the $2,000 setup fee for a hotmail email account each time you want to remain anonymous.
Most people wouldn't think about it until it was too late.
It's just better left to AdSense to deal with people in their program then you don't have to worry about it.
