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7 figures a year in AS

         

FromRocky

2:26 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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One member claimed:

I make at least 40% more every month for the last 4 months. Sometimes more. We are on target to be making 7 figures a year by December.

Another stated:

I'll do 7 figures with adsense next year easy as well.

They all expect to be millionaires but they're not. They reminded me the old time when I thought I were a millionaire because of the extrapolation on my high tech stocks' monthly earnings.

I was falling down hard and learned a lesson.

Hope they are for real.

steve40

2:38 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well if you read a few of the other posts from these members you will realise they are smart aggresive marketeers who I suspect would make the 7 figures with or without AS
They appear to be clever enough to use black white hats and everything else and have diversified portfolios of web sites
and I for one can only commend them for the ability to show the way to the rest of us mere mortals I would be happy with 5% of what they get and I just hope they don't target my little corner of the net

maybe thier house of cards may all fall down but I bet they would build more as they were falling

Steve

ogletree

2:49 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I can tell you we are already in the mid 6 figures. Plus you don't know what we are doing to move that up. You are right it is a guess but it is a very educated guess. We are not sittng around wating for things to get better. We have proven methods of getting to our goals. Breaking 7 figures is not a goal. We plan to be way above that. I have a huge backlog of things to do that I know will improve things plus new projects. It is a very detailed advanced plan not just a hobby site. It is very possible to do this you just need to be very agressive and know what you are doing. I have been reading and posting on WW for over a year every day. I doubt there are very many people outside of mods and admins that spend as much time as I do on this site. You have to be on top of things. You would be suprised how many things have been leaked on here. You have to be able to read between the lines. Everyting I know is from this site and from experience using stuff from this site.

FromRocky

2:58 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You would be suprised how many things have been leaked on here

ogletree,
I agree but don't underestimate. They know more than what you think.

hooloovoo22

3:02 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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be careful...

"He that boasts of his own knowledge proclaims his ignorance"

ogletree

3:28 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Oh I know. I have pile of secrets as well. I'm sure a lot of us have the same secrets.

markus007

4:27 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Several of the big publishers are pulling in 2-4 million a month. A million a year isn't that big of a feat.

nutsandbolts

4:31 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Can I just say at this point I have always respected you ogletree. Now, if you can just forward me some tips.... ;)

hyperkik

4:32 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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While I have not tried to game the system to generate revenue, I don't see any reason why a site on a particular high-revenue topic can't earn seven figures. I would encourage people who are building such sites to focus on building a *quality* site, rather than focusing on search engine games and AdSense keywords to manipulate traffic and high CTR's - I think that's the best approach for long-term success. But if you're seeing short-term profit, there are unquestionably games you can play to get a lot of revenue by building sites around certain keywords.

blaze

4:34 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The question is, how big is his team and how are those revenue's diversified. Another questions also is what are his marketing costs.

I worked for a company that had well over 7 figures a month in terms of revenue. But there were also over 10 people working there..

nutsandbolts

4:44 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You're absolutely right hyperkik. For me, the biggest time consuming thing has been to build quality content Web sites that people WANT to link to and people WANT to visit everyday.

Adsense has been good for me but not enough to pay the credit card bills yet!

freeflight2

5:01 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Several of the big publishers are pulling in 2-4 million a month

are you talking about e-commerce sites with adsense as an addl. revenue stream or pure adsense sites? Do you know many people / costs are behind these kind of operations?

sean

5:03 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Attainable, but I wonder how many of them could pass a manual review on the search side?

On second thought, it does not matter, time to look into duping one of the business models.

hyperkik

5:13 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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For those of you who want to game the system, I think the basic model is this:

Step 1. Create a site on a high value subject - Let's say "Widgets".

Step 2. Identify a high-value keyword consistent with that subject. (e.g., "Blue Widgets")

Step 3. Create a generic page about that keyword, with a paragraph or two of information with optimized keyword density, and optimized meta tags.

Step 4. Check Overture's inventory for that keyword.

Step 5. Create a variant of the generic page from Step 2 for each and every one of the Overture inventory results. (e.g., where you originally wrote "Blue Widgets", you create additional version for "Discount Blue Widgets", "Blue Widgets in California", "Blue Widgets with Cheese Sauce", "Naughty Amateur Blue Widgets", etc.)

Step 6. Create an index page for all of the variants.

Step 7. Post that "content" (the index page and all of the keyword variant pages) on a website with a reasonable PageRank, and link it to existing content such that spiders can find it (or submit the index page link directly to the major search engines).

Step 8. Start again at Step 2 with a slightly different high value keyword (e.g., "Green Widgets).

7_Driver

5:29 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Is that really gaming the system though?

Surely that depends on the quality of the pages you create:

If you create a single page, and just swap the keywords in, and mix it all round a bit, then sure, you're producing rubbish and gaming the system. Short term strategy.

But if you write the best page you can for each and every keyword variation - providing exactly the sort of content that someone typing that keyword variation into a search engine is likely to be looking for - well that's just publishing what the customers want to read isn't it. Not really gaming the system - and a better long-term bet.

limitup

5:40 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It's all very doable. My only concern is what happens if AdSense disappears for some reason, or is drastically changed and profitability suffers. I've heard of people working 60 hours a week for months on end trying to game the system and crank out these sites. Sure they are making good money now but where is the long-term stability and security? In that time they could have been building a "real" site/business which could be sold in a year or two for 1+ million. Personally my little niche is web services with adsense on the side. Yes I make good money from adsense but that's just gravy that pays for my Porsche, boat, and other toys. :)

ogletree

5:44 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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We don't have one high traffic/competitive term. I am staying away from that. I have some but not on my AS sites. I don't only do AS and AM. I do a little consulting. I like to diversify.

hyperkik

5:47 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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7-driver, while I would agree with you that it is possible to write high quality content based upon every possible keyword variant, that is not what I described, nor have I seen any examples of an AdSense profiteer building such a quality, comprehensive, encyclopedic resource.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 6:29 pm (utc) on July 29, 2004]
[edit reason] no specifics please [/edit]

mquarles

6:11 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ogletree,

For one I'll just say thanks! I believe your numbers and they serve as inspiration and motivation for me :-).

MQ

bhartzer

6:22 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you can generate good quality traffic (and enough of it), then I see no reason why someone couldn't make 7 figures a year. Adsense converts better than a lot of other forms of online advertising.

7_Driver

6:23 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Wow hyperkik - that's some site isn't it. I agree - there's very little value there!

The pages I looked at were all PR0 - yet ranking ok in the search results.

On the surface, they'd be easy to beat, by creating a proper site targeting those terms - but I suspect search volumes are so low for each term, they're hardly worth doing "properly".

Mind you.... I quite fancy a go at Financial Services - can't be any more competitive than what I'm doing now...