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July 7th, I reported a big spam network.
After some days, it disappeared from Google.
Some weeks later, I reported again the same network.
Again, it disappeared from the Google.
Now I discovered the same network with several thousand domains again.
The search term to discover the spam is on more than 10 thousand spam sites. It seems there is somebody with very big ressources, because alone the domain names and all the computers runing to produce the spam sites is an investment in the $100.000 range.
Some links from the spam networt even lead to sites with AdSense premium publisher code.
My best sites are filtered away since 27th June. 85% less visitors from Google, 70% less revenues from AdSense.
In the same time indexed somebody else managed to index a several million pages spam network 3 times into the Google index.
I think this spamer earns money with it, otherwise, he would not invest 3 times to create a giantic spam network disappearing after some days again out of the index.
[edited by: Hobbs at 1:27 pm (utc) on Sep. 12, 2006]
leaving behind an army of publishers who are eager to help
I wrote exactly this in the comment field of the spam report.
"Many legetime AdSense publishers would like to spend some hours a week, when this would effective help to reduce the spam problem."
Mike
It is not in Google's best interest to get rid of such sites. They generate a lot of money for G.
Read my other post about my holiday planing.
When I as a SEO since 1996 give up to search and
find the answer in the first tourist information in the target area, something runs terrible wrong.
The fight against spam will be the most important action for Google, to hold the business.
Mike
Do you really think that G wants to be in the ad business in the next 10 years? They will run the horse until it dies and the move on to other things.
And what other business model?
Where should they make money bedised the ad business?
They depend on this horse, like somebody in the desert some hundred miles from the next village. When the horse dies, the rider is very likely to follow.
I bet more than 50% of you guys earn less now than you did in the same time period last year.
Mike
Mike
I bet more than 50% of you guys earn less now than you did in the same time period last year
You'd lose
G is casting around to find the next best thing... they are branching out into all kinds of junk just to see if it will catch on
Vs. who?
and how is growing and expanding a sign of trouble?
I am sure that all of you guys have worked for a business at one time or another and the signs are all the same. The business starts doing things that the employees can see as just stupid decisions, money grubbing decisions, that the lowest employee can see is just the wrong and most short sighted decision. But all companies do it, and they all go down the drain.
Maybe I haven't lived long enought but I've never seen this. I'm not saying it isn't happening but in the case of Google I don't things are going this way.
It is not in Google's best interest to get rid of such sites. They generate a lot of money for G.
For the short term maybe.
For the long term, we (and I suspect millions more) will simply stop or slow down our ads.
What is the point of spending money on ads if they just show up on some totally non relevant site and just cost you clicks.
Or you search for sites, and all you see is those stupid Adsense spam sites with names like wefindsupergreatshoppingdealsforyoualways.com?
What is the point of spending money on ads if they just show up on some totally non relevant site and just cost you clicks.
If those clicks don't result in a sufficient number of sales, there is no point.
But if those clicks do result in a sufficient number of sales (as determined by the advertiser), then it makes no difference to many advertisers whether the ads appeared on spam sites, legit sites, search engine results, etc.
FarmBoy
Heracles (AKA JOE PUBLISHER) called for help from Iolaus (AKA GOOGLE), telling him to bring a flaming torch (AKA DELETE & BAN FROM INDEX BUTTON), and as Heracles cut off the heads one by one from the Hydra (AKA SPAMMERS), Iolaus cauterized the open wounds with the torch preventing them from growing again. As Heracles fought the writhing monster he was almost stifled by its obnoxious breath, but eventually, with the help of Iolaus, Heracles removed all...
Ya it goes on to say all but one.... but anyways just deleting one site at a time from the index is not enough. When one is deleted another grows back. Something more needs to be done as to cauterized them so they do not grow back.
What could that be? Legal action? ISP ban? Sending Rocko to break some kneecaps?
And what other business model?Where should they make money bedised the ad business?
G seems to want to enter the print, radio, and TV ad business. The jury is still out on whether their technology can and will be adapted for those media.
I bet more than 50% of you guys earn less now than you did in the same time period last year
artistmike
You would totally loose, next month will be double what I made last year and break 10K per month. Just won't do it this month because of the end of the summer factored in.
"You got the teeth of the hydra upon you
You're dirty, sweet and you're my girl"
- Bang a Gong, T. Rex
I bet more than 50% of you guys earn less now than you did in the same time period last year.
I'm sure you're right. But that's just another way of saying: I bet there's a whole lot more publishers competing for limited ad dollars now than in the same time period last year. Which I'm also sure is right.
running advertising into the ground....
the have companies paying $50+ a click for certain keywords..... where would they make that much money...
and incase you haven't left your bedrooms in decades, looked at a mag, watched tv, played a video game, DID anything besides live in a hut....
you would relize that advertising is everywhere....
now your telling me google doesn't love riding that money wave...
Take away the adsense/adwords, and you have a bunch of really smart broke search engine operators....
where do you think googles, $6 billion plus income comes from....
why do you think they give away everything under the sun, to remain in the publics eye, and to get you to click on those ads....
back to the real topic.... they do need to get ride of the spam, they should update there tos and simply put "if a subdomain contains content which we find as spam we will cut the head off the snake.... and just block the whole domain in question... from our search"
case closed.
so say by to all those
randomumbers.domain.info sites
i could clean up there spam mess
