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Lovejoy

1:32 pm on Jul 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi All,

After dumping most of my adsense pages last year after dismal returns VS time spent, I decided to give it another go. I've put borderless ads color matched to my site on twelve pages according to the heat map and have been eliminating trash ads. To date these 12 pages are averaging a grand total of 17 cents per day, so based on that if traffic remains the same I would have to develop over 1000 pages to break $20.00 per day.
Now I know some people here have done this, but how does one manage to develop 1000's of pages of content and still find time to eat drink and be merry? I'm lucky if I can put out two or three decent articles a week, at which rate would take over 6 years to crack a thousand ;~)
If anyone has any suggestions I'm all ears.

Hobbs

1:46 pm on Jul 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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No,
Develop only 100 additional pages and work on getting 10 times your current traffic.

humblebeginnings

2:08 pm on Jul 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I got many pages with a grand total of a few cents a day. All articles I have been thinking about carefully. I spend many, many hours to write them but nobody seems to be interested in them. But sometimes I just hit the jackpot. Sometimes it happens by accident. I write an article and for some reason unknown to me, it generates massive traffic. And sometimes it happens on purpose. I sit down, and think about what people really would like to read about. And then wham bam it strikes me! I write down an article in 20 minutes, and as of that moment it will make me 3 bucks a day.
Sounds like peanuts? The earnings for that article add up to a $1000 a year. I managed to pull that trick a few times resulting in a steady cashflow. All my websites together have over a 1000 pages of content. But 75% of my earnings are generated by less than 20 pages. So just go on making content and you will hit your jackpot some day.

Khensu

5:48 pm on Jul 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Download something for free in a zip file and then advertise it on adwords and you site ofcourse.

FREE download brings them in like hungry lemmings.

dibbern2

6:31 pm on Jul 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hobbs' post is good advice. The "freebie download" idea is not.

I shoot for a buck a day per page, and hit the mark about 40% of the time. Its nothing special; you could too.

Best of luck, and keep trying.

Khensu

6:50 pm on Jul 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Depends what you have

harpoon

7:01 pm on Jul 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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how does one manage to develop 1000's of pages of content and still find time to eat drink and be merry

It depends on many things...

Subject - is your subject/niche it broad enough that you can generate many ideas.
Interest - its easier to write if you're passionate about a subject or if you already have some experiences on it.
Journal - writers, especially good ones, always keep journals because a thought can come to you at the middle of nowhere.
Research - as you research your subject you get more insights into it.
Time - is writing a fulltime or partime thing?
Contribution - do you allow your visitors to contribute content.

My site is a mixture of quick , easy blog style content along with well researched "articles" that take a little more time.

europeforvisitors

7:16 pm on Jul 29, 2006 (gmt 0)



I'm lucky if I can put out two or three decent articles a week, at which rate would take over 6 years to crack a thousand ;~)

I've been working on my site since 1997 (or 1996, if you want to include the related site that preceded it), and it's grown to about 5,000 pages during that time. Earnings were lean in the early years, but time and patience have paid off.

Time passes quickly, and if you build a site that becomes an authority in its niche, it won't seem that long until your calf has turned into a cash cow.

david_uk

9:13 pm on Jul 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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All articles I have been thinking about carefully. I spend many, many hours to write them but nobody seems to be interested in them. But sometimes I just hit the jackpot. Sometimes it happens by accident. I write an article and for some reason unknown to me, it generates massive traffic. And sometimes it happens on purpose.

I've given up trying to write what is going to earn me more money. I write articles that I think are going to be useful to site visitors. I'm just about to start on a new article because a flame war in one of the newsgroups on the topic has prompted me to write an article that I feel needs to be written. I don't think it will make money, and I may not even have ads on it at all!

There are sound reason behind this. For some obscure reason, the articles I spend a lot of time researching and writing get good visitor stats, but don't bring in the money. I'd like to think that is because the visitors actually read the articles and find them informative or useful in some way. The page on my site that does bring in the cash is the site index page. That doesn't contain more than a brief intro to the site. Go figure.

I think that having the quality articles on site indirectly helps the bottom line by getting in the visitors and keeping the site at the top of serps, although the pages don't usually rake in much and are mostly ad free.

Lovejoy

11:27 pm on Jul 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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europeforvisitors,

I've also had my site online quite a while, since early 1997. I've managed to get onto Googles first page for my keywords for about three years now and have been number 1 to number 4 for the last two, but it's a narrow niche. I make most of my income ( about $100.00 a day)on downloadable products andservices, but it would be nice to generate some income from adds ;~). I've set my goal as three articles a week and see just what happens.

bts111

10:08 am on Jul 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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lovejoy,

Get yourself a content writer ;)

Good luck and don't give up!

julinho

2:09 pm on Jul 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I think that having the quality articles on site indirectly helps the bottom line by getting in the visitors and keeping the site at the top of serps, .

I agree.
Quality articles get quality links, which in turn get your site better SERPs.

Lovejoy

5:22 pm on Jul 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi All, thanks for all the advice. Just an update, I'm up to 24 cents a day on the same 12 pages. I just found 26 articles I'd forgotten about copied to a back up CD I'd made a couple of years ago. I'll upload these articles this week and keep this thread updated with my progress.

ronburk

11:04 pm on Jul 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I shoot for a buck a day per page, and hit the mark about 40% of the time. Its nothing special; you could too.

Nope, that is pretty special. It's more than the average AdSense website earns per page, and it's extremely unusual to see anything resembling a flat return across pages, or even across 40% of pages. The vast majority of AdSense publishers will see a Zipf-like distribution of income across their pages, just like this:

All my websites together have over a 1000 pages of content. But 75% of my earnings are generated by less than 20 pages.

Jane_Doe

11:41 pm on Jul 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Now I know some people here have done this, but how does one manage to develop 1000's of pages of content and still find time to eat drink and be merry

Content is cumulative over time, so it helps if you have the kind of articles that don't get stale after a few months. Plus, you don't need thousands of pages to make a nice income with Adsense, though that is what works well for some people. You can make a decent income with fewer pages if you focus on getting good rankings, high click throughs rates and/or higher earnings per click than most people get.

[edited by: Jane_Doe at 11:42 pm (utc) on July 31, 2006]

oronoso

3:13 am on Aug 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My question is, if you already dumped it a long time ago, why go back to it now? I did the same thing sometime last year, all these pay programs always get a little bit worse every so often, and it never stops on its way down. So once it's to a point, time to rebuild the site free of ads, attract traffic, and wait for the next big payer.

Lovejoy

3:38 am on Aug 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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oronoso,

I went back because it seems it is possible to make a good deal of extra gravy if you cook the roast the right way ;~). When I see websites that
look like they were made in 1998 pulling in over $100.00 a day from adsense, surely a site which is number one for its keywords should at least buy a coffee and a donut every day. Maybe I just didn't give it a fair shake first time round, this time I will try every angle and see what happens.

Lovejoy

9:14 pm on Aug 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi All,

Looks like I might crack $1.00 today ;~),Shortly after five PM and I'm at 44 cents ;~)

Lovejoy

5:27 pm on Aug 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi All, The dollar a day barrier has been broken ;~)I'm @ $1.54 as of 1:26 pm today. Time to pop the cork on the champange ;~). I'll have to check and see if the new pages have been picked up.

Lovejoy

10:40 am on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi all,

Actually it broke the $2.00 barrier yesterday, ( $2.01), still on the initial 12 pages. I'll upload another five pages today and see what happens.

Lovejoy

4:24 am on Aug 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi All,

I optimized my text a bit on my pages and now regularly pull in over $2.20 a day from 12 pages. I uploaded another 8 pages late this evening and will post improvements in income ( If any)here on a regular basis. I struck gold in my archives and should have enough info for at least 300 pages, 10 uploaded a day will be the goal, the end goal $100.00 a day.

I Will Make It

11:52 pm on Aug 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I struck gold in my archives and should have enough info for at least 300 pages, 10 uploaded a day will be the goal, the end goal $100.00 a day.

I love it when people set goals like this and actually reaches them!

I wish you good luck on the $100 a day.
It seems like it's going in the right direction!

Please keep this thread updated. I eager to hear how it goes!

IWMI

Lovejoy

3:29 am on Aug 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi I Will Make It,

The daily take is now over $2.00 a day. To speed up the process I downloaded Wordpress and have it up and running. With it I can edit and upload articles with adsense attached much quicker than before- $5.00 aday here I come ;~)

jonpoh

3:32 am on Aug 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have a site that gets about 120k page views a month and about 13k unique visitors. Its a narrow niche but I am expanding my content regularly. I think I have about 50 or so pages. Im earning about $20 a day from adsene. I also use 1 affiliate program from a company related to my niche.

Here is my question. Would you all reccomend I keep expanding my subjects and keywords and stick with adsense or are there other Affiliates out there that I should put more time into to maximize the traffic I am already getting.

Lovejoy

7:54 pm on Aug 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'd check out your potential traffic with the overture keyword search tool. I to have a narrow market, which according to overture has about 8,000 searches for " old blue widgets" (my main keyword). I've pretty much tapped that market out for my main keyword, but a broader search for "widgets" pops up about 340,000 searches a month. For that reason I'm writing broader based articles on related subjects to improve traffic.

Lovejoy

11:13 pm on Aug 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi All,

So far I've uploaded 25 pages in all, today has been slow as far as clicks go. I'll check in again later ( before midnight) and post the day's take ;~)

Lovejoy

11:52 am on Aug 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi All,

Damn terrorists/government stooges ruined my day, only $1.12 yesterday.
Same thing happens every time there is a terrorist alert, people are glued to the tube and my traffic goes down. Will upload another five Pages today for an even 30 ;~)

Lovejoy

11:41 pm on Aug 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi All, 35 pages now uploaded, but traffic has been slim since the terrorist alerts. Looks like I'll be lucky to break a dollar today ;~(

Lovejoy

4:59 pm on Aug 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi All,

Interesting development. I have the original 12 articles on one domain,
and the original twelve plus all the new ones set up a wordpress blog on another. The percentage of clicks on the blog domain are terrible, even though the blog page is set up the same format as the other website. I wonder what's up with that? Maybe the blog site is not ugly enough ;~)

Lovejoy

7:51 pm on Aug 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi All,

It's been about two weeks since I started this thread and the results are encouraging. I've uploaded 45 articles to my blog and still have the original twelve on my other domain in the old format. To date I'm averaging $1.39 a day ;~) which gets me the coffee I was originally aiming at. The blog pages are starting to be spidered by Google, now maybe I'll get some action will come from that end. I've also added an affiliate banner for extra revenue.

If the blog pages don't pull in the expected gelt I will put all those articles in the old format on my other domain. Since my highest day to date has been $2.43 I'm shooting for $5.00, wish me luck.

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