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Yesterday's EPC was about 25% of the previous day

         

asp4bunnies

4:19 am on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm not normally one to cry wolf when I have a bad EPC day, but yesterday's EPC was outrageous (about 25% of the previous day). (Clicks were the same, well into quadruple figures).

I'm wondering if this was seen by others as well or if this is smart-pricing biting me in the proverbial buttocks.

zk21

2:45 pm on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It seems like everyone sees fluctuations on a daily or weekly basis and its tought to really figure out if its Google or just individual users who changed something, or had some other individual issue on their end.

cornwall

3:11 pm on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>My EPC was up a bit yesterday, CTR was solid, and revenues were higher than they'd been in recent memory even though traffic was a smidgen less than it usually is on Mondays.

I have similar sites and that was my take on yesterday too

I would doubt that image ads made much difference as there seem to be very few put out!

stuartmcdonald

10:59 pm on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Last two days have been lowest rate ever (for us) EPC down about 60% on the average for the same number of impressions and the same advertisers. I'd pegged it to end of month budgets running out for some advertisers, but its still the same's people's adverts showing up, so not sure if that's the case.

yoyo8

11:23 pm on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have been down over 50% for over a month now. Not sure what else I can do. On some main sections, I'm getting ridiculous ads. Since my site is dynamic, the content is constantly changing. Well, Adsense decided a couple of weeks ago to display ads based on some word some member wrote. So although the section is devoted to widget x, I'm getting a full palette of ads for lake resort y in zimbabwe even though that word hasn't appeared anywhere on that page for weeks.

And thus I partially attribute the drop to an adjustment in smart pricing, which is affecting my other pages with good targeting, although I have no proof.

trev0006

3:21 am on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am 50% down in EPC since the 26th. all of june was a record month but after the 26th it just went down with same traffic and CTR.

Mentat

7:17 am on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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June 29.. disaster!

My Google Ads impressions are 1/3 lower and my revenue is ~75% :(

Dont wnow why.. my nr. of visitors is constant.

richmondsteve

11:55 am on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Mentat wrote:
My Google Ads impressions are 1/3 lower and my revenue is ~75% :(

Dont wnow why.. my nr. of visitors is constant.

So it would be hard to attribute this to AdSense. After all, if you generated 1/3 less impressions that resulted in 1/4 less revenue, those impressions actually earned you more than normal on a EPM (earnings per 1000 impressions) basis, which is what's relevant for comparison. It's doubtful that a drop in impressions was something caused or controlled by AdSense (personal opinion based on knowledge of AdSense).

It seems as though your visitors generated less impressions than usual. Possible reasons - they looked at less pages on average, a higher than normal percentage had JavaScript disabled (possibly related to recommendations made concerning the recent IIS trojan / IE browser vulnerability), more began using firewalls that block AdSense ads, etc. Most likely some combination of factors. Another very real possibility is that your AdSense stats for the 29th haven't fully updated yet. As reported in the AdSense FAQ [google.com], "Aggregate reports are typically updated hourly, with an occasional delay of up to 24 hours." You posted your message a mere 17 minutes after the AdSense reporting day ended (the timezone they use is PST, California, US).

cyberprosper

12:57 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My EPC dropped by 50% over the past couple of days. I am not sure what is going on, but I do not like it. I suspect that this is more than some statistical aberration.. I have never seen anything like this. Perhaps Google is trying to get that last boost in profits before the IPO? Second quarter (if they base it on the calender) ends tomorrow. Perhaps they wanted to get another million banked? actually hope this is the case, because I do not want to get paid so little going forward. Maybe they'll turn the knob back on the 1st.

Visi

1:39 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Overall this is a month that I would like to forget. After 12 months of analysing the data, this month is strange, with lowest epc ever, CPM falling through the bottom and wierd daily swings being seen. The moving average looks like a landing curve for an airplane.

Not just your normal day to day fluctuations but high and low swings that drive the graphs crazy, all moving down as the month progress is charted.

Have to thing google is playing with something daily in adsense, generating these swings? Noticed today "broad matching" is changing again, so may be that effect will be positive. Sure hope that July is better.

JohnKelly

1:40 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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EPC has been decent the last couple of days, though I've taken steps to remove AdSense from low-traffic sites and other pages where ads were questionable.

alika

3:25 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Our EPC in June is 3% higher compared to May. It went down early part of June, but came back up around the 20th when we removed the image ads.

ogletree

3:33 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Mine is about the same. My CTR was down about 1.8%.

hunderdown

4:02 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)



I've read a lot of threads like this where people report widely differing experiences with AdSense--jumps in EPC, drops in EPC, better or worse ad targeting, etc. Some seems to be statistical variation, as if often pointed out.

But I can't help wondering if we aren't also seeing differences in kinds of sites in AdSense. I run a small content site with a narrow focus and mimimal advertising. Others run large sites on broader themes (such as vacations) and are more focused on selling. Some sites are crafted by hand. Others are dynamically generated. Some sites are new, having been set up since AdSense got started, while others go back a number of years.

Given that, I think these discussions might be more useful if we gave brief and general descriptions of our sites when posting -- otherwise, we could be comparing apples and oranges (and maybe even pineapples) without realizing.

Visi

4:05 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Think I give that a try Alika...nothing to lose:)

cyberprosper

4:12 am on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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my sites cover a wide range of topics. EPC is down overall. EPC with other programs has remained the same.

annej

4:34 am on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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OK, I run a niche history topic related to a hobby/craft. Plenty of related ads are available and I've done better than May this June and much better than April. The improvement seems to be based on better targeting bring a higher CTR rather than better EPC.

Does that help?

There are so many factors, I can't get a couple of my minor sites off the ground with AdSense as the ads are so poorly matched. So it's more than whether you have a large or small site/ comercial or content site. There are too many factors beyond that.

Freedom

7:49 am on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I don't have a problem with EPC but my page views haven't updated in hours for June 30. It's half of what my website trackers are telling me.

The reports have already rolled over to July 1, and they still haven't updated.

valley

10:52 am on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The reports have already rolled over to July 1, and they still haven't updated.

Same here,the report delay has been happening for a few days now,but rest assured that they 'eventually' catch up and will update correctly(at least that's what has been happening so far).

richmondsteve

11:39 am on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Freedom, the AdSense FAQ state that stats may take 24 hours to update. Google's reporting day ended a mere 49 minutes before you posted your message so give it another 23 hours and 11 minutes. For a link to that part of the FAQ see the bottom of msg #37 in this thread [webmasterworld.com] (also by me) where I replied to someone else talking about lower than expected stats.

FWIW, 4.5 hours after the day ended my impressions are at about 40% of what I'd expect for the full day yesterday. My stats are usually at about 98-100% of their final values by this point, but over the last year there have been numerous days where only a fraction of the final values showed by this point in my reports.

hunderdown

4:37 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)



annej,

I completely agree--there are MANY factors. Talking about EPC as if it happens in a vacuum just isn't productive.

Visi

9:20 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Couldn't agree with you more hunder, but looking at EPC on a certain site over a years worth of data, serving up 400,00 page views a month is. (content site)

Unlike some of the others here we have seen a complete errosion of epc since April. Googles smart pricing algo, and methods ads are being served has resulted in decreasing epcs over the last 3 months to a overall decrease of 70% across that timeframe.

Prior to the so called changes we could statistically interpet the results, now the only interpetation is how low will it go. After a year of riding out the program, the space has become more valuable for running traditional banner ads and its time to give some of our other partners more space.

Guess our site themes and google are not made for each other after the April changes. They have moved in our opinion from content to commercial related sites, and we can understand that change. However we cannot help but feel that the changes in their original mandates as they were stated could have been communicated better.

We wil continue to run adsense on pages where returns justify the space, and monitor the next few months.

getadsensed

5:36 am on Jul 3, 2004 (gmt 0)



OK is it just me or the total earnings are WAY below these days?! I've received about the same no. of impessions and clicks as before, but total earning is much much lower :¦

Sunflux

7:26 am on Jul 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to post-March reality. For those of you just joining our program already in progress...

androidtech

2:00 am on Jul 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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AdSense used to blow away our F*ndWhat earnings. It's neck and neck these days.
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