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Yet another disabled account

Not so happy about it

         

factornumberone

10:50 pm on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well, after all these posts about disabled accounts i was sure (you know that feeling only if you make enough $$ from adsense)it would happen to me too.
And it did...

Today i recieved an "account disabled for invalid clicks" email from Google.

No warning email before it...

I made no clicks because i have the googlesyndication ips disabled in my hosts file...

Something is broken at google but...
...life goes on :)

jquick

5:26 am on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm really sorry to hear that. For educational purpose, about how much money did you make from Adsense monthly?

JQ

tombola

8:03 am on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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factornumberone, here's an extract of your reply on the thread Just clicked my own ad [webmasterworld.com] from a few days ago:

Hey people relax :)
They are not going to ban you for a single click. Now that they have more data to deal with they know it is statistically probable that there will be some "invalid clicks".

Coincidence?...

jquick

8:54 am on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well, that really doesn't mean anything. He is just saying what he believed, not preaching the fact that he clicks on his own ads.

J.Q.

factornumberone

10:01 am on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I wrote back to the adsense team and i'm waiting for a reply, i can't give you any details until it's 100% sure i'm banned.

Born_User

1:26 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Could this be an example of a competitor clicking on your ads routinely to give the impression that YOU are doing something hokey?

I am new to adsense, but I could envision that type of warfare.

factornumberone

3:27 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Could this be an example of a competitor clicking on your ads routinely to give the impression that YOU are doing something hokey?

I really hope not.

Maybe it's because my visitors do not convert well, maybe it's just an error. Who knows? I'm waiting for their answer.

jomaxx

3:38 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Others have talked about conversion rate being a red flag for fraud. Maybe, but I can't believe Google would terminate an account and seize its accrued earnings on the basis of that factor alone. Conversion tracking is too inconsistently applied and mistargeting of ads is too common. Whether you like Google or not, they see themselves as the good guys and don't play that kind of hardball.

nyet

3:57 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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hardball? For Google to factor in (in some way) Their ROI on your site seems like good business practice to me.

factornumberone

4:01 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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When i was on the other side i had the same ideas:
Google bans you only if you do something against the TOS.Well now i'm not really sure :)

That is not ok with me but there is not much i can do.
Anyway, Adsense is a good experience and is a really good way to make money online.

nyet

4:05 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am sorry you got banned. But I think this problem is the nature of the beast. Adsense pubishers are making a business model around one customer.

All customers, bet they large corporations or indivduals, are 'fickle'. At any moment they may leave your 'store' for absolutely 'unfair' reasons.

Unfortuantely if that one customer is the sum total of your client pool you are SOL.

Hopefull for publishers there will be more PPC players in the future.

p.s.
While it is painful for publishers it is certainly in the best interests of G and the Advertisters to have an absolute ZERO tolerance policy for questionable activity. I am sure that the amount of $$ a site generates for G comes into play in their decision making - how could it not? this is *business* after all.

When I am buying milk, if get the slightest hint (or even just a 'gut' feeling) that the milk might not be sanitary I won't buy it. I don't need to wait for lab results.

daunk

4:15 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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With these cancelled accounts. I am an adwords advertiser as well and I never once got a "refund" for invalid clicks. Do advertisers on the whole get "refunded" or do their future campaigns cost less, or, alternatively and presumably most easy (not saying it happens because it would be immoral!) for google.com to pocket the money anyway.

richmondsteve

4:20 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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daunk wrote:
Do advertisers on the whole get "refunded"...

Yes, AdWords publishers do get refunds - sometimes after an advertiser inquires about unusual activity, sometimes on their own. I don't spend as much time in the AdWords forum as I do here, but I know I've seen at least a few threads there about refunds.

daunk

4:23 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ok I must have had no invalid clicks then, thanks steve :)

jomaxx

4:29 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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nyet, in response to your first post, I said Google was unlikely to seize a person's accumulated earnings and ban him for life on the basis of that factor alone (conversion).

There was a thread recently where a webmaster said he had been asked to remove AdSense ads from a certain site on the basis that it "wasn't a good fit" for AdSense. This is all speculative, but it seems to me that's more like how Google would handle a simple case of extremely low conversions.

Macro

4:38 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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factornumberone, I'd be interested in your comments about post #3 from tombola.

richmondsteve

5:06 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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daunk wrote:
Ok I must have had no invalid clicks then, thanks steve :)

Actually, invalid clicks which are recognized quickly by Google may not be charged to your account in the first place in which case there wouldn't be a refund. I'm not certain of that though. If you want a more definitive answer you might try the AdWords forum. I wasn't clear earlier, but what I was really referring to was clicks that Google determined to be fraudulent. I hope that makes sense.

factornumberone

5:12 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What do you want me to comment Macro?

That i think Adsense does not ban for some accidental clicks? Well yes that is what i think even now that i am out of the game. So what? Does that means that i have clicked my own ads?

I don't understand your logic:
Mister X thinks they don't ban for accidental clicks.
Mister X gets banned.
----------------------------------------
Master X has clicked his own ads.

Macro

5:26 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hmm. That's very defensive. All I wanted to know was whether you'd revise your "They are not going to ban you for a single click" comment. I noted that you had replied to everyone else in the thread but not msg #3.

Good luck.

factornumberone

5:35 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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tombola in msg #3 asked if it was a coincidence...

dvduval

5:45 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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LOL (but sorry you lost your account)

I don't believe we will ever get a person to say, "I admit it. I clicked on my own ads." Yet, I am confident SOME of the people who lost their accounts did indeed do so. I am not pointing the finger!

I don't think we are going to get anywhere here. It might be nice if you could do your best to provide some theories as to why you were cancelled, factornumberone.

Could a friend have been trying to help you?
Do other people use your computer?
Did you login to adsense from multiple computers?
Is it possible that you received a lot of clicks from a foreign country?
Was your CTR higher than 2%?

zulufox

5:45 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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no offense macro but I am not following your logic either... sorry dude

wonderboy

6:04 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hmmmmm.. you specify a CTR of over 2% as high, but many people experience much higher CTRs than this (unfortunately I do not). Especially with the immergence of channels people are able to put alternative advertising on redundant areas of the site which would normally drag CTR down.

Is it not possible for you to just apply for a new adsense account with different details, especially as you say Google has basically screwed you out of a good source of income that you have earnt fairly.

Good luck with your appeal.

W.

Macro

7:11 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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zulufox, do problem dude ;)

Maybe it's Friday and I'm thinking I should be at pubcon which is only about an hour away.

What does a 2% CTR have to do with the price of fish?

dvduval

7:30 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I probably should have said another %, but I would still like to see theanswer to the other questions I asked.

And I would also like to know if the clicks were worth more than $1 each.

twinsrul

5:07 am on Jun 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Have you tried calling Google? 1-650-623-4000? Look at this page for more information: www.google.com/ads/offices.html. Good luck.

raymond4unc

12:14 am on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have a question. Does G keep the money my site made whey they disabled my account? See my story @ [webmasterworld.com ]. Does all the money go back to G or are the ads refunded (without my permission), a "balance" of the two? Anyone with any experience?

raymond4unc

12:11 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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BTW, my post was #7 on the other thread.

toolman23

2:24 pm on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi! I'm new here, i found that site after searching for a reason why i've been banned from adsense. I feel sad because, like you, i didn't do click on my own website and got banned. And i didn't receive a warning before.

It's really frustrating when you know that for two month you are having potential clients that click on the ads on your site to go to your competitor and got nothing for it.

But i'm happy to see that i'm not alone. And to the one that migth think that if i would have click on my own ads, just think about it, i would not get the trouble to write about it if i would know i did it!

richmondsteve

3:05 pm on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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For those that aren't aware, there are plenty of things described in the TOS besides clicking on your own ads which are violations of the AdSense TOS and can get you booted.
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