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Anyone tried those anti-Norton CGI scripts?

These scripts bypass Norton's ad filtering.

         

androidtech

5:25 am on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have seen a CGI package, I won't say which otherwise you might thing I'm promoting it, that claims to make AdSense ads (and most other affiliate ads) visible again on web pages; where Norton Anti-virus would normally strip them out (depriving us of revenues).

Has anybody tried it/one? If so I have some questions:

- does it really work?
- does what it do violate the AdSense TOS?
- how is it on server load?

The package I saw was almost $200 so I'm trying to get some info before I spring for it.

Thanks.

tombola

6:55 am on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hmm, a server side program that overrides a client side application?...

jomaxx

7:34 am on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I was able to find several multipage rambling discussions on other boards about this, but haven't found any software package specifically designed to make sure AdSense ads show. Maybe you can at least tell us what it tries to do.

One common thread in the discussions was encoding a web page or some part thereof. If that's what you're talking about, I THINK Google would be okay with it but overall the cure sounds worse than the disease, and I'm not sure it would work anyway.

martinibuster

9:22 am on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I know what software you're talking about. I haven't paid for it. The lack of input from other WW members makes me wary. $200 isn't much but I have a hunch that after spending the money I might end up $200 wiser.

onfire

10:58 am on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hmm, a server side program that overrides a client side application?...

Was thinking the same thing.

$200 is an awful lot of dosh for something where info on its performance, how it works & with no recommendations for its use, seems it might be easier to find these WMD in IRAQ ;)

Put your $200 back in your pocket, if there is a problem i am sure the Adsense Team are aware of it and will be working with the Vendor in getting it resolved.

Maybe ASA can shed some light on this problem, which i thought had been cleared up anyway.

seaboy

6:42 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Think of it this way, are you going to make significantly more than the $200 you would have to spend?
How many people visiting your site are running the Norton Ad Blocker? Probably very few.
If they're the kind of people who will go to the effort of buying and installing software to block ads, they're probably the kind of people who won't click them anyway.
Regardless of whether or not it works, and is allowed by the TOS, I doubt it's worth your time + money.

androidtech

7:21 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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seaboy,

*Millions* of people run Norton Anti-virus and the Ad Filtering is part of it, *and* it is turned on by default without the user even knowing that (or able to figure out why a bunch of web sites they visit look really strange).

rcjordan

7:26 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yep, webmasters are going to have to become more and more determined to overcome 'stupid human tricks' causing false-positive nuking of legit web pages.

Jane_Doe

8:02 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I just downloaded a new copy of Norton anti-virus & firewall. As far as I know I just selected the default options, and I still see all of the adsense ads.

So am I misinterpreting something? What do you have to have installed to have the ads blocked?

added: The only thing that I've actually noticed Norton blocked are some of the dynamic media links from one of the affiliate networks.

JollyK

9:16 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hmm, a server side program that overrides a client side application?...

Well, kind of, yes. I assume that Norton is blocking the AdSense googlesyndication host. If that's the case, then instead of the AdSense code, you could put in something that just goes out and pulls the JavaScript with appropriate arguments, and displays what you get.

In other words, instead of having the AdSense code, you'd use a URL to the CGI script (or whatever) on your own server, and it would act as sort of a "buffer" between Norton and AdSense.

If Norton is just blocking the AdSense host, it would be possible to write a little script that acts as a browser for the purpose of AdSense, and have it display the ads. (If you can get to the actual AdSense ad source HTML by doing View Source in your browser (which you can), then you can get there with a script as well, and just display the HTML instead of the Google URL.) If Norton is also blocking clicks, then you could also have the script replace [google...] with something on your site that the script redirects to.

I think there are a lot of ways that a server-side deal could get around a client-side ad blocker, mostly by fooling the ad blocker by appearing to be something other than ads.

HOWEVER, I do think that this would be WAY against the AdSense TOS.

Just an interesting thing to think about, tho'. :-)

JK

designaweb

8:12 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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In other words, instead of having the AdSense code, you'd use a URL to the CGI script (or whatever) on your own server, and it would act as sort of a "buffer" between Norton and AdSense.

This is definately against the TOS, since I have done it. The thing is, because of the fact that you use a URL to include the Adsense banner, the banner will be requested server side. Therefore Google looks at it as if it is the same user looking at it again and again and again. With the normal javascript version, the request comes from the client side...

I tried this in order to track clicks etc. I was succesfull except for the IP thing I just explained...

PCInk

9:22 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It does not simply block googlesyndication, it is more complicated than that. If a url has /ad/ or /ads/ or banner in it, Norton will block it and the link will not be displayed.

It is up to the advertisers to choose a decent URL to point to.

When I use Google or view adsense ads, I often get about half of them blocked. The other half work fine. It's all down to the URL that they point to...

Visit Thailand

11:29 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Humbly I would say that if we know of such software then so does Norton.

Norton will always be competing against software like this and also the ad suppliers.

G wants the ads to be displayed as much as the publishers do, so I see little point in spending $200 for something that may be defeated in the next NIS or NAV update.

tombola

12:05 pm on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If "G wants the ads to be displayed as much as the publishers do", they need to find a way to provide ads that cannot be filtered out by Norton or other ad-blockers.
The question is: is this possible?...

amznVibe

12:12 pm on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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No amount of encoding is going to bypass a direct SITE/IP block in NIS or HOSTS.

varya

4:51 pm on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It's probably going to take a copyright and restraint of trade ruling by the US Supreme Court to stop ad blocking.