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We have never done any adsense content site so far. "So assume that my knowledge in this area is almost ZERO"
We just want to start small i.e. just take 1 domain and develop it and then take the lessons learned to the 2nd domain, and so on. I guess it will take a "long long time may be a few years" to have all content based sites developed as we have a lot (few 1000s) of domains mainly collected in the high click rate categories of loan, credit, debt, insurance, dating, health, downloading, poker, casino, money, education, blog, etc.
We have had great ppc (pay per click) experience so far.....lately with average portfolio rpm well over 200. Overall the portfolio is quite profitable.
Most of the domains are low traffic but very high quality as the click values are awesome. The traffic is 100% pure type-in as we don't have any links or expired traffic. Domains have been collected over last 8 or so years.
Why we want to try Adsense? :
1. Not all domains make great money with ppc
2. Sometimes the domains that make great money with ppc suddenly stop and some others start. Kind of hard to understand. So is the case with traffic on individual domains.
3. I hear people talk good about content based adsense sites. So want to try it out and see what happens!
4. Will leave the profitable domains with ppc and take the others (1 at a time) and develop adsense sites so that all domains become profitable.
5. Domains have much better potential if developed than just ppc as all the domains are in very high paying categories.
6. Content based adsense sites may increase the search engine rankings of domains such as google pr etc.
7. It can increase the traffic from purely type in to a mixture of type-ins plus search engine.
8. Finally just want to see the difference and find out if we can really unlock the domain values by doing this as some other people are doing.
Please advise with the following:
1. Are we just dreaming or adsense can make better profits and increase traffic?
2. What are the basic steps to learn before even trying our first site?
3. What are the pitfalls to avoid?
4. Is there a software that can make the site generation process easy, quick, and make SEO friendly sites "without" spaming search engines?
5. What other tools would you use? and what do those tools do and how would you really use them in your sites? (such as Overture, Google keywords, etc)
6. Do you need any specialized programming/coding experinece etc.
7. Are there any step by step instructions available anywhere that can help us make great 'profitable' sites? Please advise even if there is some paid but proven material on the subject such as an ebook, software, etc.
8. Is it even possible to develop 1000s (lets say for example 5000 sites using 5000 domains) of adsense sites in a reasonable timeframe? Can that many sites be managed easily? Does google allow this many sites in 1 account?
9. What is the best method to host this many sites....start with a small shared hosting account? and rent your own server when needed?
10. Anything else you think that we must know?
Please advise. I appreciate your help and time very much.
Regards.
[edited by: martinibuster at 3:50 am (utc) on April 3, 2006]
[edit reason] Let's keep the discussion on the board. [/edit]
Generally looked down upon here.
May I ask, where is all the content for all these 5000 web sites going to come from? Are they original? Do you own them?
MFA = Made For Adsense
MFA sites aren't appreciated around here. In fact I don't know anywhere that they are. They're just another form of spam.
Do not build sites for AdSense!
Now, your best approach is to build good content sites as if advertising of any kind does not exist. At least, pretend it doesn't exist while you're busy creating your site with your own original content. Hand-code or use a WYSIWYG editor, or choose a CMS to use (faster).
Stay away from poker or any casino related content. It simply isn't allowed. Same goes for any other "adult" material.
You've found the best site for information, just start reading as many of these threads as you can and as frequently as you can. Don't just hang out in the AdSense forum area either - go read some of the other forums too.
I never said all the sites will be developed in a day: I actually said we will start with 1 and then it may actually take us years to complete those sites.
Of course, we intend to write and use our own content as and when needed as we move along the development cycle provided if we ever will.
I also said that we do not want any suggestions that spam the search engines.
And finally I never said our sites will be MFAs.
I can't believe first two responses are so doubtful and protective. Someone actually told me to post in this forum for help and learning.
I am still looking for some help and guidance.
Please share your experiences and suggestions.
Thanks a lot.
Regards.
[edited by: rickkumar at 3:24 am (utc) on April 3, 2006]
I can't believe first two responses are so doubtful and protective. Someone actually told me to post in this forum for help and learning.
I answered your question in my first sentence.
Gave a comment about a "fact", in my second.
And asked you to elaborate on your concerns further in my third and succeeding statements.
You call that doubtful and protective?
Do you even know why you should elaborate further? This topic is sensitive here. You wouldn't want to classify yourself as an MFA builder if you want to get good responses here.
And from how I read your first post, you are classifying yourself as such. That's why I asked my questions, to give you a chance to explain further before the other guys here see your post.
And yes, this forum is good for help and learning.
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( I am ducking for cover now :) )
Read up through AdSense forum, or for specific topics you can search WW
HTH
Take a while to look around. I might suggest you start by reading this forum's Library. [webmasterworld.com] There's a great thread in the Library about each member giving 3 tips about Adsense.
The people who just came at you with pitchforks and torches - the angry mob - well, they're a bit frustrated by some quality issues in the Adsense universe. They just don't want you to become another one of the bad guys that they then have to contend with. There are many people here who take the issue of quality of content and the SERPs very seriously and personally. Nothing wrong with that, though they might go a little more slowly in passing judgment about newcomers.
Folks: Listen up. Rick is a noob to Adsense but I know him to be a decent guy, someone just looking for answers and direction, so please show him some kindness as you pass judgment. His initial post was detailed and thoughtful, but fashioned by the mind of someone who has viewed the world as a "domainer" for awhile. In the world of building websites he's just a beginner, his intentions are not unholy, and he looking for practical guidance - so put down the pitchforks and show him the way, instead of chasing him away, which is the WebmasterWorld way.
I suspect, in time, Rick will be someone who will give something back to the community and he might just be someone who will give something valuable given his unique and extensive experience in the domain world.
Glad to see you on board Rick. Stick around. The mob will calm down once they get to know you better.
Webwork, a/k/a "Cranky"
There are at least two schools of thought.
1: That you have to create something of value for a user. If you have content writers that can do that, go for it. There are many companies that employ many writers and make a lot of money from AdSense, like NYTimes for instance. ;)
2: There are some who like to take shortcuts. This method can be difficult to do.
If you have many domains already, then the domain park is one of the most prestigious and popular methods for monetization, PLUS you'll provide incredible value to the advertisers in Google's networks, as it is well known that advertising on Parked Domains converts very well into sales. Anyone who argues otherwise is denying reality.
As in any other endeavour, be wary of any software program that promises ease in creating thousands of sites, etc. For every project you will find someone trying to sell a way to get rich quick.
I'm not one into shortcuts, the whole affair is too sisyphean for me, although I know of others who make tens of thousands every month doing it in that manner. Every little soul must shine, as they say.
- for each domain, put up a (smallish) number of pages of contents
- have a single, centralized software run all these "micro-sites"
- capitalize Adsense on those domains.
I am sorry to say this, but I think your idea won't work
For type-in traffic, you can use the already existing Adsense domain parking program.
Your type-in users get to the site, find nothing but ads and therefore are VERY motivated to click on ads (the "nothing better than ads" technique")
If you put some contents on those sites, your users might read that content rather than clicking on your ads.
"It can increase the traffic from purely type in to a mixture of type-ins plus search engine."
If you hope to put up a large number of sites and have search engine traffic going to those sites, I think it won't work.
Your domains will all be sandboxed, will get no PR or in-links at all.
If you cross-link them, they will probably be categorized by Google as a "link farm" (100s of domains on the same server with identical whois info, identical page structure ...)
So, no real search engine traffic, a risk of diluting your type-in aernings, and moreover a technique that borders the Adsense Tos, that forbids standard Adsense on parked domains. After all, those sites would turn out as a mid-way between real sites and parked domains.
To get some SE traffic on such poorly optimized domains, you would need to target very specific keywords: supposing you had the domain www.Alaskan-farmers-loans.com, you could put up a specific page of text for that domain and get some traffic. After all Googling for "Alaskan farmers loans" with quotes gets 0 results and you will probalby rank well there.
But then, isn't it better to have that page (and all your "loans" pages) on a single loans-related domain? that domain will end up having a good PR and being a well-focused, large-ish site for loans.
You will get the same (and probably better) rankings from
www.generic-loans.com/Alaskan-farmers-loans.htm
than with
www.Alaskan-farmers-loans.com
So, you will have a few, niche-targeted strong sites and keep your "other" domains on type-in traffic.
Now, for my 5-minutes relaxation, please allow me to fecth my pitchfork and torch .. :-)
MFA is good money
I have never created a site without the intention of monetizing it first, so I think starting from an MFA point of view is spot on. Why build a business without thinking about how you are going to make money first and foremost?
Heres the rub
Although not very welcoming, brickwall has an extremely valuable perspective - because it is similar to Google's perspective. If you are going to build value into your domains from search, either with income or long term value, you need to think about what types of things they reward and what types of things they punish.
Domainers beware
I was recently at a domainer conference and cringed at some bozo registrar that was offering a template driven 'site builder' designed for 'SEO'. This is a dangerous way to go since you may suck a lot of the value out of your assets by making them banned in the search engines. I shudder to think of how many people at that conference are going to devalue their domains for a very short term gain.
For some reason, Google forgives the 'parking' systems. It seems to me to be a safe place to park and not trash your domains from future use.
No time for mistakes
With that many profitable domains you are in a good place to start. Congratulations.
Unfortunately, because you are playing with real assets, you don't have time to make mistakes like most SEO newbies. Be VERY careful to educate yourself before moving your domains off of parking. When you do decide to start, take just one or a few of your domains to try - don't do all at once in case you mess up.
Work ahead of you
What you are looking to do is build a 1000 small businesses that add value to the searcher (or type-in-er). And although a lot can be automated, this is no small task.
However you host, one IP or 1000, blog software or template site-builders, you need to think about making each site useful. The key is quality related content.
Good luck Rick, there is a lot of forum reading ahead of you. My suggestion would be to start in the library for each forum:
[webmasterworld.com...]
Caveat
Although making quality sites is the safest way to go, there is also a lot of money in auto-generated crappy MFA sites. But I don't recommend that for someone with that many domain assets to protect, at least not someone new to it.
Yes, Google seems to not care (I still hope that they are working silently on better tools that will be introduced when the competition gets tougher), but I still think that the comment on "usefulness" was too sublime in the message. I would rather like to have it like this (pls repeat after me)...
MAKE YOUR SITE USEFUL FOR VISITORS!
:-)
However you have enough domains that you can afford to push the envelope a bit and "diversify" as it is often preached here.
In the Library of Forum 24 is an excellent thread that contains some information you may want to read.
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Don't be afraid to post in Forum 24.
I am also sorry if I said something offensive above.
The 'wrong title' of my orignal post shows you how ignorent I am about this whole subject.
I am here to learn and I appreciate all your comments/help.
I want to go the quality route, just 1 site at a time.
I will only attempt to start our 1st site when I have read and understood enough from this forum....so that I don't do anything wrong at all.
The comment about available softwares came from these two things:
1. I have no idea how to develop a site...even how to start of developing. Like I said I am totally new to this development thing.
2. I searched google for adsense site software, and found sponsored links promising amazing things... I thought may be its recommended or something.
I hope it clears up my wrong 1st impression.
Please keep posting. I need all the help and guidance. I want to learn, only then I will try.
Thanks for all the above responses.
Regards.
I think this is a good place to start..
Successful Site in 12 Months with Google Alone
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It sounds like you have some income to invest. You may want to consider hiring some people to write content. You will more than likely need to purchase links as well. You may want to poke around the Link Development Forum.
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I will admit I tried to take a few shortcuts over the years. I had the mentality of "find a way to make $1/day and then build 100 more sites like it."
I am currently working on a content site that I can be proud of and show off to friends and family. I am following Brett's plan for "Building a Successful Site in 12 Months with Google Alone" and it is a lot of work.
Lets's see if I can share some quick tips.
-Make sure your site is crawlable by the search engines. If your using a database backend consider using mod_rewrite to make the pages appear static.
-There really is not any 'adsense' software. You will just need to create a site using an HTML editor. You then paste adsense code into the html markup.
-If you're going to use any kind of a scripting language I would recommend PHP. There is a ton of support for it and there's a a great forum here at WebmasterWorld. Plain old staic HTML works great too.
-If you are totally new to web site development Frontpage is a good place to start. Most webmasters scoff at Frontpage because earlier version were crappy. I understand the newer versions are ok plus I think frontpage is included with Office(?). Another editor that people seem to like is Dreamweaver. I personally like Homesite.
-Shared hosting is ok but a reseller account is almost as cheap but gives you the flexibily to have seperate log files for each site. You will need to be able to view your raw files as well as the pretty stats to determine if the SE's are spidering your site. If you have a ton a sites you may want to consider a dedicated server or a manged dedicated server.
-Some people use Adwords or Overture to bid on 100's or 1000's of low priced, highly targeted niche keywords to send to their main site. This can work well but you really need to watch your ROI. PPC(pay per click) is an art upon itself.
-Keep asking questions!
Adsense itself is not that complicated a thing: you paste some code on your site, maybe try different colors and tracking codes, see what works, but all in all, it seems like the main thing is having a website with good and useful content. :-)
I do agree that if you have a lot of traffic to your parked domains, you might want to check into the Google domain parking Adsense thing.
JK
There are lot of good suggestions and lot of reading/learning to do on these forums.
I am planning tospend a lot of time here going forward so that I have a clear understanding of starting a site that can be unique, value added to the users, and not buit as MFA [now I know what MFA means :)]
Thanks again.
Regards.
