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Banks at home slow in crediting your account?

Come to the US for holiday and open an account!

         

loanuniverse

4:39 pm on Dec 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Opening an account in a US Bank:

I thought I would clear some confusion about this and get some information directly from one of our account representatives so this morning, I walked to the “private banking” floor and talked to one of the “relationship managers”. He told me that in order to open an account for a foreign national in our bank, he will need at a minimum:

-The passport.
-Two reference letters from banking institutions from the country of origin.

Checks could be sent to the person in the account c/o {in care of} the Banking institution so that they could be deposited into the account.

The same thing could be said about opening a corporate account. The difference is that the letters of reference should be in the name of the company, and you should bring the {articles of incorporation, organization documents & bylaws of the company. "pretty much what is standard on your country"}.

I confirmed the documentation needed with a friend at another bank, so I am 95% that you can open it with the passport and the two reference letters in most banks.

My recommendation if you are going to do this: Do not open it at a small bank or a very big bank. Look for one between a billion and ten billion in assets. Preferably one that does some international business so that they are used to wires and dealing with foreigners.

Hope this helps.

P.S: I am not trolling for business or anything... This is not my area of work, just trying to be helpful.

div01

4:43 pm on Dec 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I wonder if having a US bank account would make you a US business in the IRS' and Google's eyes.

sebans

5:12 pm on Dec 22, 2003 (gmt 0)



I filled the aplication online for an international Account at Wellfargo but I have to send them back the papers from my bank so I don't have the account yet.

check it out here:

[wellsfargo.com...]

dflayfield

5:52 am on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just a tip.....The Google checks are drawn on Citibank. If one were to open a Citibank account, presumably the check would clear the next day because the Google check is drawn on the same bank as your account.

I am not endorsing Citibank....it just struck me as I was admiring my last Google check.

shrirch

8:23 am on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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HSBC will allow you to open a account based in their US, UK and other country operations from virtually anywhere. You don't even need to go to the US.

You do need to provide fair amount of documentation (not more than what LoanUniverse) has mentioned.

freitasm

9:31 am on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I filled the aplication online for an international Account at Wellfargo but I have to send them back the papers from my bank so I don't have the account yet.

It asks for an SSN... How did you do then?

Macro

11:39 am on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It asks for an SSN... How did you do then?

Exactly! My experience has been that they always ask for a Social Security Number. In fact in many banks your account number is the same as your SSN (Please correct me if I'm wrong). They don't accept UK National Insurance numbers etc. It's got to be all numeric and the exact length of the US SSN. Also, I can confirm that they don't accept temporary SSNs (the kind you get while the US government is processing your paperwork prior to issuing an SSN).

killroy

11:56 am on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I talked to Citibank on the phone, and it seems to be that the Patrtiot Act or other US Laws prevent banks form allowing foreign nationals (i.e. without SSN) to open accounts remotely. She told me though that It "shouldn't" be a problem if I walk into a US branch personally (which I plan to do at the next PubCon in florida).

But, it is still not guaranteed. I supose it depends on your country of origin and the reference letters.

I'm currently wonderign if I can somehow "co-bank" with a close friend in the states. I.e. they open te account and I become a signatory. They deposit my cehcks, but I can use online banking to SWIFT the money into my own local accounts.

Has anybody investigated this?

SN

sebans

2:56 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)



It asks for an SSN... How did you do then?

I requested and obtained the SSN for banking purposes many years ago when I was in the Us

loanuniverse

3:44 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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A long time ago a friend of mine got a "not available for employment" Social Security card. But this kind of defeats the purpose since I believe you would have to do this in person. Therefore, you might as well open it as a foreigner and not have to wait until the whole process of getting a number assigned works.

amznVibe

4:06 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm amazed you didn't run into any "Homeland security" nonsense.
Anyone try to open a savings account recently? You'll run into as much paperwork as the above story...

freitasm

7:56 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It asks for an SSN... How did you do then?

I requested and obtained the SSN for banking purposes many years ago when I was in the Us

Ah, but the opening the account is not the solution for everyone. Not all of us will go the US just to ask for a SSN.

Back to square one I'd say.

robho

10:09 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I requested and obtained the SSN for banking purposes many years ago when I was in the Us

They stopped issuing the banking (non-employment) SSN's around 1997. The replacement for non-US residents is an "ITIN" (international taxpayer identification number), that works like an SSN when opening an account.

But really there's no need to bother with the US and all their excessive paperwork if you want a US$ account. There are plenty of other countries.

For somebody in Europe I'd recommend a US$ account in your home country (many banks will do US$ accounts if asked), or failing that one of the British offshore islands, such as the Isle of Man (my choice), Jersey, Guernsey, plus Gibraltar (or also Andorra if you prefer Catalan/Spanish/French language).

Most of the banks have upped their minimum opening deposit requirements, but $2000 is still enough in some banks (in any currency), for others it's more like $5000. Accounts can be opened by mail. If you're dealing with less than that it's certainly not worth doing a trip to the US to open an acoount...

Since the "Patriot" Act it's become hard/impossible to get a US$ checkbook on an offshore non-US bank account, but money can be transferred elsewhere by wire, or simply moved to an account in Euros or Sterling. Some banks also do US$ debit cards that work anywhere.

Obviously you wouldn't bank offshore for secrecy (information is exchanged between most countries nowadays, so declare everything) but rather for the service, i.e. the fact they are used to dealing with multiple countries and remote customers. Most of the accounts have minimal if any account maintenance charges and pay a little bit of interest.

morpheus83

7:58 am on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am in India it takes around 45 days to clear google cheque. It takes 30 days if cheque is from New York. Even if I do manage to open an Internation account in the US. I deposit my adsense cheque then how do I transfer my funds from the US to India. I think the fastest solution is Telegraphic transfer. But I have heard it costs 40 $ for a single transfer.

dillonstars

9:33 am on Jan 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Banks at home slow in crediting your account?

The first AdSense cheque I deposited, I did at my UK HSBC account for 'collection'. I paid my £14 fee and it took 6 weeks to clear. Had to find a better solution.

I looked at the HSBC's US dollar accounts, but found no immediate advantage over a standard current account. The cheques took just as long to clear and I still had the fees.

They suggested that as I had cleared one OK already they would 'negotiate' my next cheque. Same fee, but the money went into my account immediately. All I had to do was sign a waiver to the effect that if the cheque bounced then I would be liable for the entire amount and all charges incurred.

I have faith enough that cheques from Google will not bounce so this seems like the perfect solution for me.

morpheus83

9:52 am on Jan 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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14 pounds and 6 weeks to clear. That is a hell lot of money and time. Here in India we deposited our cheque in ABN Amro NV it took 5 weeks to clear and just Rs 150 were charged (US $ 3). I dont understand why it takes so much time in the UK. You can try Citibank as all Google cheques are drawn from Citi. This will clear funds faster.

Mauricio

1:20 pm on Jan 7, 2004 (gmt 0)



I only get a 1.50€ fee and wait four weeks to clear my cheque.
In the other hand, I'm thinking to open a new account in dollars (here, in Spain) and wait for better times. Just now I come from the bank and my november's earnings cheque has been cashed: 1.28553€/$. What a disaster!

loanuniverse

1:50 pm on Jan 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Mauricio:

You could be waiting a long time for a better exchange rate. :)

killroy

5:21 pm on Jan 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well, I only ever cleared on check through my bank, Volksbank incidentally, whom I thought to be of international repute... Well they cahrged me $95 on a $480 check and took over 7 weeks. They lost the money several times and I spend more time and money in intl calls to track it down then the remainder of the check was worth....

Noiw I just go to my local financial services bureau, who cash it instantly for around 2-3%.

SN

John_Caius

6:36 pm on Jan 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Barclays in the UK charges £9 per cheque and the last one took about four days to clear (the first one you bank will take quite a bit longer).

crxchaos

4:39 am on Jan 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just cashed my first AdSense cheque with Lloyds (UK) the other day.

I asked the bank several weeks ago how long it would take to clear and was told around six weeks.

When I went to cash it in I was told one week.

When I checked my balance 24 hours later the money was already there :)

Yet a bank transfer from Barclays to Lloyds, 20 meters away, takes 5 days :(

lgn1

3:58 pm on Jan 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Wow, I have always taken the banking system for granted. Here in Canada, I just take the adsense check down to the bank and have it deposited to my business account. Other than the typical 1% gouge on currency conversion, total cost to cash my cheque is 35 cents, same as all domestic cheques, and no holds either.

loanuniverse

4:00 pm on Jan 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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total cost to cash my cheque is 35 cents...

Well for us in the US, is even better. No currency conversion and no cash/deposit charge. :)

Edit: I forgot to mention not even a hold for some of us :)

davewray

4:37 pm on Jan 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Took me all of 10 minutes to open a U.S. account at my bank here in Canada...easy as pie.

Dave.

4eyes

12:12 am on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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UK banks can clear the cheque by 'collection' or 'negotiation'.

The first can take 3-6 weeks, the second is 'a few days'

I changed my bank account from RBS to LLoyds solely because LLoyds said that after the first cheque, they would clear by 'negotiation'.

Last cheque was in my account within 4 days.

Mauricio

3:16 pm on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)



Exchange ratio for my last US dollars cheque: 1.30436€/$.
I loose the 30% of my income. Where is the bottom?

johannes

3:27 pm on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm from Sweden and banks here are hopeless (high fees).

I have an USD account with Postfinance in Switzerland, no fees, no account minumum. They charge USD 4 per check and I get immediate credit once they receive the checks.

I'd like to open a US bank account (I've looked at Chase), but there are some burocracy to clear first. The swiss account was easy to set up.

ap_Rhys

3:57 pm on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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UK banks can clear the cheque by 'collection' or 'negotiation'.
The first can take 3-6 weeks, the second is 'a few days'

On average Barclays have the funds in my account (for negotiated cheques) in 2 days. The charge of £9 is per transaction, not per cheque - the regular form allows for 3 cheques.

globay

5:00 pm on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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johannes, did you have to travel to switzerland to open the account? are your checks now sent directly to the swiss bank? how do you transfer the money to sweden?

thanks a lot!

johannes

6:04 pm on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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globay,
I opened the account by mail. What they need is a notarized copy of your passport.

I get the checks and send them to Switzerland.

I wire the money to Sweden(free), the account has internet banking.

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