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On the other hand, I have read about image galleries with adsense ( not so successful, yet allowed) .
Does anyone have any expereince about this? Is an image considred to be a content in refrence to adsense tos?
How does google value images vis-a-vis text content? Is a picture only valued for its filename and alt text? I dont know if google has technology which can understand what a picture may convey. A painting may show emotions or a newspaper picture may convey a news item. How would google evaluate them?
One of the methods which google may be using is a long descrition tag. But will a picture, with an alt tag and a long description tag be considered is valid content for google adsense tos purpose?
Is a white blank page, with a single grahpic ( with alt, long desc) and a text title ( may Paintings by Picasso ) enough for adsense bot to show ads, and be allowed in adsense?
This seems to be one of the many gray areas, where a painting may mean a thousand words, but to google it may mean nothing ...
What do you people think?
BUT....Google can NOT read an Image. So I'm sure they don't consider it content. Wasy around this can be to set up h1 and alt tags and put a description beneath each pic. Simple scripting and a database or TEXT file can be used to make this happen.
title
120..180 byte description
photo with 600x450 pixel
When somebody searches for xyz wdigets and gets a big photo showing much more details than on all the online shops, he is good served.
I happened to be chatting with some other webmasters in a chat room so I just posed the question to them "are images considered content?"
They all said yes without even a moment of hesitation. Of course they had no clue in what context I was speaking.
So I still have no answer for you. Anyone else ever asked Google about this one? If not looks like an e-mail to Google might help. Let us know what they say.
1) Can AdSense figure out the topic of the page without descriptive text?
and...
2) Are readers who are looking at photos likely to click ads?
Item 1 is easy to fix with decent captions; item 2 is trickier.
BTW, such a site probably gets many hits from "image search" if you add keywords to image alt and name the image files meaningfully. When you lost is when someone visits the image directly instead of the page which contains the image and your ads. You will probably want to find a scripting solution to fix that issue.
As long as you have some keyword targeted descriptive text
Think of a painting collection from the masters. A simple, white page with a paining (500 pixel wide) in the middle, abolutey nothing else on the page. - The concept is taken from fine art galleries, with large white walls, and a lovely masterpiece in the middle of teh wall . Anything else on the wall is disturbing the study.
The paintings are vauleble and inspiring, made by masters right from piccasso, to da vinci and so on ..
The adsense idea is to put just one horiontal adlink below the painting.
The inability to google adsense to evaluate it equivalent to text content, and kicking the site or the publisher out of adsense due to no-content issue , troubles me. These works need no text to describe them . They speak for themselves.
These works need no text to describe them . They speak for themselves.
These works need no text to describe them
Imagine You visit the gallery with a blind man.
Googlebot is blind, can only read.
Here comes the problem to write all the description for a blind man, without disturbing the web site.
The penalty for hidden text is 30 days out of Google index.
"In order to avoid associations with copyright claims, website publishers may not display Google ads on web pages with MP3, Video, News Groups, and Image Results."
I sent an email to google and sticky messaged the adsense advisor but got no answer. Googles message to me was basically put your content ( even though i sent them a sample page to review for acceptibility ) on your site and if we find it's against there TOS they will notify me.
The way i read there policy basically your not suppose to put any ads on non-text pages. There logic sounds rediculous. To avoid copyright claims? text can be ripped off just like images/video/songs or whatever. Is it me or do they run google video, a breading ground for uploading other peoples copyrighted material. I have seen many types of TV shows movie clips on google video that i'm certain shouldn't be there so it seems there own terms conflict with there video businesses.
In my case i want to put original videos on my site but cant get a real answer if i can or cant use adsense. The way things are going i'm sure that if you have a unique useful site that dosn't get complaints about copyright then google prabably dosn't care. With yahoo and MSN getting ready to launch there versions of adsense i think google will start relaxing any policy they might have about pictures.
I suppose sense pictures/video/songs cant be understood by there bots and have to be reviewed by a human they dont want to put the man hours into enforcing REAL TOS violations on this type of content.
On another note, i wish there was some kind of category or something i could chose to place for each of my video pages. Right now i have to write descriptions that arent nessisary and make my site look less proffecional.
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IMHO, this means You should not make an own picture search engine with foregin pictures, what could cause copyright problems.
I have picture directories pages with 30 thumbnails, each from my own domain mostly created with my own camera.
I have a website that is nothing but a big photo gallery. My adsense rep has given me permission to run adsense all over it.
Do you have any text on the picture pages that display one large pic? How old is your site?
Also, how is your epc? ctr? from this site?
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I think, if the above is allowed, then a page with just a flash or a personal video should be fine?
I was also thinking of a tutorial site using flash breeze, but stopped myself because of the same point.
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On searching, i actually found sites, that are huge galleries of royalty free images, classified by categories, for free use in web pages, and they use adsense. - The gray areas keep me wondering.
i wish there was some kind of category or something i could chose to place for each of my video pages. Right now i have to write descriptions that arent nessisary and make my site look less proffecional.
Better yet, don't use AdSense on those pages. After all, the AdWords/AdSense pay-per-click model is built around keywords. Keywords (not categories or concepts) are what advertisers use when placing their bids.
Some pages or sites aren't a good fit for AdSense. In such cases, the publisher should look for alternatives such as affiliate sales in related categories or display ads from traditional banner-ad networks.
wonder what asa and jenstar has to say on this?
The more i search for them, the more i find picture only pages, with adsense
Perhaps the title is enough for adsense?
However make sure you describe the image with alt-text to avoid being sued [webmasterworld.com].
So, in order to receive relevant ads, we recommend including at least some text-based content on your pages. Sentences and paragraphs are most helpful.
Does the crawler read the long description tag?
Does the crawler read the long description tag
I do not know exactly at the description tag
I have proof since 2000, that Google ignores the meta tag keywords.
The LONGDESC attribute gives the location of a long description of the image. This attribute should be used to provide a long description of an image where this would be useful. For example, a painting, graph, or corporate logo could be given a description so that blind and other text-only users can develop a mental picture of the image.
example
<img src ="somepic.jpg" longdesc="somepage.html" alt="short description">
I sm wondering if this tag is used, indexed well by google?
anyone?
I have a strict one photo, maximum 2 photos per page layout. The contents should be always complete over the fold of a 1024x768 XVGA screen.
I use title and description in the ALT tag of the picture, the rest of the page contains more information about the picture.
I wish Google would read a photo's IPTC data. But that's because I put quality data in there. I'm sure that before long it would get abused and become worthless, just like meta tags.
What good would that do? The keywords associated with a photo don't necessarily translate into ads that interest the user. You could have great photos of German Shepherds to Albanian folk dancing, but that wouldn't necessarily mean the people looking at them were interested in buying German Shepherds or dog supplies, or in visiting Albania.
Another problem with photo galleries is that users are likely to click from photo to photo (meaning from page to page), so even if they do click on ads, the clickthrough ratio and eCPM are likely to be low. That's okay if total earnings add up, but to achieve high total earnings, you'll probably need many, may photo-gallery pages or a huge number of search referrals.
It might be smarter to find a type of advertising that works better with the medium. For example, a photo gallery about Paris or New York might be able to generate revenues with Art.com or AllPosters.com affiliate sales. (Or maybe not, but it might be worth trying.)
in the modern world, people put up an image gallery with picon-based javascript windows that aren't any bigger than the picture itself... click on the tiny picon pic on the gallery page, and it opens up a big window with nothing but the pic in it... when you are finished looking at the picture, you close the window, which leaves the main gallery page with the adsense and picons on it untouched.
it's a lot quicker than a page refresh because the javascript got loaded when you first opened up the page... you can also do it really well with a flash-based picture gallery.
One advantage of the page-to-page, HTML "flat file" approach is that each page is a separate point of entry to your site. This can be useful if your photos are accompanied by captions that add value to the pictures and attract readers.
Still, the mechanics of how one sets up a photo gallery really aren't the issue here. The issues that matter are (a) how photos can be made to work with AdSense and (b) whether photo galleries are likely to deliver significant (or at least worthwhile) revenues with AdSense ads.
"Another problem with photo galleries is that users are likely to click from photo to photo (meaning from page to page), so even if they do click on ads, the clickthrough ratio and eCPM are likely to be low."
what i do is put a couple of paragraphs of text at the bottom of every photo gallery page, which gives both adsense and the search engines something to target... plus it does indeed add value and attract readers.
of course it also helps that i'm a halfway decent photographer, so i'm not posting garbage photos... people come to look at the photos on those pages, more than anything else.
with the proper photo gallery implementation, people end up spending a lot of time looking at the page... eyeball exposure like that can be really hard to get with conventional adsense pages.
