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Blogosphere upset with AdSense?

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farmboy

3:37 am on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In visiting some of my favorite blogs this evening, I've noticed what seems to be more than usual discussion / complaints about AdSense. In particular, the complaints are about scraper sites & blogs taking content from blogs (sound familiar?) just for the purpose of generating AdSense income.

The point has been made that since Google sends out checks, they know who is doing this. I saw several mentions of a class action suit to force Google to reveal the names. (I'm just a farm boy, I have no idea if this has legal validity)

Anyway, some of it is the same thing discussed here often and some of it seems different. I guess I can't post links here, but if you'll visit technorati and search for Adsense Scraper you'll be at a good starting point if you want to read some of the posts & discussions.

FarmBoy

Play_Bach

11:25 am on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Can you be a tad more specific in your search terms? I did as you advised but didn't find much.

For what it's worth, since reporting a bogus framer directory to Google a month ago ([webmasterworld.com ]), I must say I'm more than a little bit disapppointed to see the directory still in business! - how much time does AdSense support need? If a month is not enough time, how much? Or should I assume that if AdSense has not shut down a reported bogus account within a month that they're not going to? Frustrating to say the least.

JoaoJose

1:58 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I've reported a site which states "To help support this site,click on the ads below which interest you." several months ago. Guess what nothing happened....

WallyWorld

2:15 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Visit one of the advertizers and tell them what the site is doing. Google listens when advertizers complain.

europeforvisitors

4:06 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)



Google believes in "scalable solutions," and playing Whack-a-Mole with scraper sites probably doesn't fall under that heading (though perhaps it should). If it's any consolation, IncrediBILL noted recently that Google Search has been penalizing scraper sites, and Yahoo and MSN Search have been doing a better job of filtering them:

[webmasterworld.com...]

Even if scrapers are frozen out of search, they can buy traffic, but that won't necessarily be the case forever (or so one can hope).

jomaxx

4:25 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Visiting advertisers and telling them about the spammy sites running their ads really doesn't seem like the smartest idea. If everybody followed that advice, we'd probably all be out of business.

If there's a site that in your opinion doesn't meet the guidelines for running AdSense, report it to Google. If months pass and nothing happens, report it again. Don't try to raise the decibal level of your complaint by possibly hurting Google's core business.

P.S. it's also against the TOS.

farmboy

5:04 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Can you be a tad more specific in your search terms? I did as you advised but didn't find much.

At technorati dotcom do a search for "adsense scraper" without the quotation marks. You'll probably get several pages of returns. Like I said before, it's basically a repeat of what is posted here on WW, just that it seems there is more of it lately.

In doing just that, I found one interesting site. The URL has google adsense adwords with a hyphen between each word, followed by dotcom, then /adsense/ It's baffling to me why Google would allow something like that to remain. The site even attempts to appear mimic Google's own pages & color schemes. Read through the captivating & interesting content while you're there.

The last time I did that search at technorati I found something called the dunce money blog that seemed to provide instructions for making a scraper site to take advantage of AdSense. You'll probably see it.

FarmBoy

Play_Bach

7:43 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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> The URL has google adsense adwords with a hyphen between each word, followed by dotcom, then /adsense/

Saw that one last night

> It's baffling to me why Google would allow something like that to remain.

Baffling is right. The framer directory I reported is violating numerous AdSense TOS, yet a month later, no action from Google. For all the "I've been banned" threads posted here at Webmaster World, the experience I'm getting after reporting the "gross polluter" to AdSense would suggest that reporting such sites is unlikely to get them banned. Apparently, what these bogus sites really need to worry about is tripping some algorhythm - not being reported - and that sucks. So much for accountabilty and integrity.

> dunce money blog that seemed to provide instructions for making a scraper site to take advantage of AdSense. You'll probably see it.

Saw that as well. I was looking for the site with the class-action lawsuit you were referring to. Where's that?

Play_Bach

8:27 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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To help deal with reducing spam, Yahoo! Mail provides a button aptly called "Spam." I hit that thing frequently as are many of the 65 million other Yahoo! Mail users trying to order their Inboxes. Perhaps AdSense could provide some such easy-to-use interface for reporting bogus sites in addition to sending them email?

[edited by: Play_Bach at 8:33 pm (utc) on Dec. 28, 2005]

jomaxx

8:28 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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One problem is that people keep complaining about scraper sites, which are annoying to webmasters but are not infringing copyright and are (subject to interpretation) not against the AdSense TOS.

Play_Bach

8:36 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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> not against the AdSense TOS

Well the site I reported is clearly violating the TOS. If you want to see it for yourself, just let me know.

hdpt00

8:38 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)



Stop wasting your time reporting stuff and build a better site(s).

Play_Bach

8:45 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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> Stop wasting your time reporting stuff and build a better site(s).

Stop wasting your time being pointless.

farmboy

9:53 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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One problem is that people keep complaining about scraper sites, which are annoying to webmasters but are not infringing copyright...

Please clarify.

Are you saying that scraper sites in general don't violate copyright or are you saying that people complain about those scraper sites that don't violate copyright?

If the former, I disagree.

And I've found this to be one area (maybe the only one?) where Google will respond promptly and will close an AdSense account. Find someone who has scraped your original content, go through the DMCA steps, copy to AdSense and watch what happens.

FarmBoy

[edited by: farmboy at 10:05 pm (utc) on Dec. 28, 2005]

farmboy

10:01 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I was looking for the site with the class-action lawsuit you were referring to. Where's that?

See a post titled "Zap the Zombies" at a blog called buzz machine dot com with no spaces and no hyphen. That post contains links to more related blog entries and also has a number of comments posted.

FarmBoy

jomaxx

10:44 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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farmboy, obviously if someone copies substantial portions of your content then that is copyright infringement, and Google rightfully takes swift action for that. But that's not what I consider a "scraper site" to be. I'm referring to faux-search-engine scrapers which grab snippets from thousands of sites and dump millions of pages into the search engines.