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Please answer only if you make more than $1000 a month!
But most of these adsense sites are nothing more than rehashed or stolen info and noone wants that. The web really has gone down hill and money hungry kids aren't really helping anybody - except themselves that is.
I thought the web was useful, now it's mostly filled with crap. It's a shame.....
The OP asks a simple question, and it turns into a wicked group therapy session in the day room for the manic depressives.
Everybody back to their rooms. It is time for lock down. We are approaching shift change, and have to log this ugliness into the patient charts before the third shift nurses come on to their shift.
And remember... it is against ward rules to commit suey side on my shift. I don't do code blue reports. Anyone pulling a code blue on my shift will get shoved in a freezer in the morgue where they will stay for all eternity. They will not pass GO and they will not collect $200.
That is just a simple answer, check the success Adsense cases (they all earned over $1,000), and you should find all what you would like to learn from. But I think there is nothing direct relevant to your embition to earning $1,000 or more.
Or are you only interested in collecting a list of websites (in particular, a website that earns over $1,000) for your "learning propose"?
Asia...........34.2%...9.2%
Europe.........29.3%..35.5%
North America..23.0%..68.2%
I appreciate many North American posters here have no interest outside of their own region however for those that have considered future expansion the answer can be quite simple.
If you already have a/some quality web site(s) then one of the cheapest and easiest ways forward is simply to make a direct translation of your exisiting site(s) into the most popular languages.
If you want more traffic then you must go to where that traffic growth is going to occur naturally.
If you already have a/some quality web site(s) then one of the cheapest and easiest ways forward is simply to make a direct translation of your exisiting site(s) into the most popular languages.
Very very good advice! Thanks for sharing!
I'm pretty sure everyone here at WebmasterWorld that read your post sees the truth in it.
If not- All you people with great content sites published only in English, you are missing out on some SERIOUS traffic! Translate them ASAP!
One concern, how long until $G starts applying duplicate content penalties across languages? It seems to me that anyone could currently scrape and translate 99% of the sites on the web and easily get away with it.
1) I only speak one foreign language. For all I know my sites have already been stolen and translated into dozens of "adsense friendly" languages.
2) Even if I did find out about it what could I really do? We already see many cases where registrars, search engines, web hosts, etc. deny that a page or pages are copied and do nothing to the offender. I can't see myself taking a trip to China (just an example) to try and sue some scraper.
Freq---
You raise some extremely valid questions to which I have no answers.
Being early web adopters have meant that our sites were translated well before Adsense and new pages which are added now are translated into all languages before uploading to the various sites.
Fortunately this is not too difficult a task for us having quite a few multilingual staff in our various sales offices around the world, nonetheless it is a problem which must be occurring with most blissfully unaware of it happening.
Can anyone else shed any light on this?
Freq---
The flip side of this is the search engines will not treat such pages as duplicate content ..as they are incapable of understanding the true sense of pages in any languages ( semantic algos and other wishfull thinking by owners of search engines not withstanding ) ..
Even the most targeted ads delivered by adsense or whomever are still woefully inexact and only passingly related to the copy most of the time ..in spite of the best efforts by those who are running MFA's ( my definition of MFA being "copy written to entice adservers to place supposedly relevant and thus converting ads" ..if the search engines and in particular Google and MS seriously thought otherwise about the relevance of what is served when based on page copy they would not be pushing the various toolbars and other spyware so hard ..
Ads served are going to become more and more dependent on the where the browser has been and what they have done ( witness related to this the longer and longer cookie life expire settings being used on sites ..also the wider cookie sharing within the ad networks ..doubleclick et al )than the manipulations of their text by webmasters.
Already the ads are served dependant on the veiwing IP ..
I hit a US page written entirely in english and based on a server in the US ..
I still get some ads in french if the site is running adsense ..no US webmaster optimised for that to happen ..thats the admaster server targeting me ..nothing in the site owners control at all there .
You may be able to opt out of showing certain ads as an adsense publisher ..but we don't all see the ads you do on your site ..how do you opt out of what you dont ever know about?
I could use some tips on reasonably priced translation services and a web set up that makes having multilingual pages easier.
How do you handle the translations for the smaller countries, which I would think would be quite difficult to find recognized translation companies?
Thanks.
I could use some tips on reasonably priced translation services and a web set up that makes having multilingual pages easier.
I thinks it's cheaper to hire somebody to write original content than to translate it in other languages.
I thinks it's cheaper to hire somebody to write original content than to translate it in other languages.
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but that's basically a whole new website. If you have product descriptions, you want them translated - you don't want _new_ content. I think you're missing the point.
I could use some tips on reasonably priced translation services and a web set up that makes having multilingual pages easier.
All our translations are done in-house since it requires experienced trades people to know precisely the different trade terminologies.
That is not to say that a good translator could not do it however, unless they are fortunate enough like myself to speak several languages and have worked within the trade in several different countries over many years, then an independent translator wouldn't have a chance.
To set-up multilingual pages either create a new site folder however it is much better to create a new domain specifically for that country and hosted within that country.
This means, that say for Portuguese, we have companydomain.pt and companydomain.com.br and hosted within those countries since Google gives the option of searching for language results in Poruguese OR from that specific country.
How do you handle the translations for the smaller countries, which I would think would be quite difficult to find recognized translation companies?
Finding translators is not a problem, ensuring the accuracy is!
Smaller countries? Hmmm...Dmoz.org is very good for those usually.
Our principal site languages are the following in no particular order:
English
German
Spanish
Italian
Portuguese
French
Russian
Japanese
Basic Chinese
Polish is under consideration at the moment.
Arabic we have not found the necessity to include since all of our enquiries and contracts with those countries already speak and specify in English.
Furthermore we only use English for our Indian sites because we have not found the necessity as yet to make in Hindi however since my main factory is there it would not take long to do so if required.
The above languages cover a huge proportion of the first languages spoken or well-known by most users.
Chinese is obvious however do not underestimate the importance of Spanish, Portuguese and Russian!
German is very important within Western Europe being the #1 most spoken first language.
And finally, don't try and rush and do all at once!
Take one of the major languages and do that site first (I would suggest Spanish), learn through the mistakes you make, because you will, and then apply the others slowly over the next couple of years.
but that's basically a whole new website. If you have product descriptions, you want them translated - you don't want _new_ content. I think you're missing the point.
Sorry, you're right. I was missing the point. Thanks for clearing that up.
I tested a few pages in German and Italian a few months ago, but G inventory was pretty low resulting in very low epc. Even ctr was lower because G sometimes displayed English ads on Italian and German pages.
When I use AW to promote our products to non English speaking countries my cost is much lower which is consistent with much lower earnings from AS.
Did you have a difference experience?
The number of sites and the technical setup (which can be always fine tune from time to time) are not direct relevant to your earnings of $1,000 or more.
The key success factor is to bulit your unique contents and develop targetted traffics.
Quick response since I am very tired.
I tested a few pages in German and Italian
Were they machine or professional translations?
When I use AW to promote our products to non English speaking countries my cost is much lower which is consistent with much lower earnings from AS.
And!
Do you use your traditional "English" methods of promotion? If so, you have totally failed since you must learn local/colloquialisms/expressions etc.
Did you have a difference experience?
Yes! Bear in mind my family has been in my niche trade for 200+ years. Yes I speak several languages and yes, I understand that what the UK requires v Holland v Germany v France v Switzerland v USA v Japan v most countries, I have had to learn over the last 30+ years.
Do not expect that the Net will/or has changed expectations overnight...the Net suppliers cannot do that unless they are incredibly financially organised.
I must sleep...I'll continue this tomorrow if you're interested:-)
Any mistakes above are entirely due to knackerdnessness:-)
Does that word exist?
As Optirex has noted you need to use the
local/colloquialisms/expressions etc.and also the actual way of speaking that is used by your target audience ..
Around half of the other peoples "site work" I do is fixing clumsy translations ( many so called professionals and translation agencies still do word for word dictionary cut and paste when they hit a word they dont know ..and it shows )or grammatically accurate work done by professional translators but still which can't be understood by a ( whatever language ) native speaker ( the sort of thing that looks like it was written by a french lawyer a hundred years ago isn't going to sell widgets to a french electrical contractor looking for a supplier )..this is the kind of thing usually turned out by those who hold degrees in the language ..and who have visited but do not live at least 25% of their time in target country .
Either you have to be multi-lingual yourself to check your paid for translation for accuracy , style etc ..or you need to get someone who is a native ( whatever language ) speaker ( even if their english isn't so good as you might wish for ) to read through what you are about to pay your "translator" for and they can tell you what seems strange or wrong to them ..this will avoid you paying a lot of money and getting a page that seems Ok but makes your target customers just fall around and laugh at the way "you" speak...and buy elsewhere..
I see a lot of pages like these :)
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knackerdnessness..Does that word exist?
not in english ;) one too many "nesses"
Mais ..neither of the dictionary ( word for word )french translations .."sans couilles" .or the other "abatue".. makes sense in the context ..
donc ..tu est "totalement crevé"
I am planning to make enough money from Adsense, so that I won't need a regular job
You started about 6 years too late but that's OK.
I have one big site that rakes in boatloads of traffic and generates lots of Ad$en$e money but I've started making some little crap sites and $5/day sites are trivial.
You'll have better success with the $5/day sites in MSN and YAHOO in my opinion as some keywords are too hard to break in Google but I'll take 100 sites @ $5/day which is why I'm spawning them like salmon with overloaded glands swimming upstream at the moment.
It seems to me that anyone could currently scrape and translate 99% of the sites on the web and easily get away with it.
Not if you deploy a scraper stopper and spider trap, I was already working on one about the same time WebmasterWorld blocked all bots and mine seems to be working quite well and I never dropped out of Google while testing it ;)
BTW, anyone without NOCACHE on every page is a moron as scrapers can scrape your content from the search engines you allow to crawl your site so you'll never know they're stealing from you as they won't show up in your server logs.
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