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Quickie: sharing earnings and impressions, okay now?

         

rfung

3:47 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's been a long while since I been in these forums, so I wanted to just get it from the experts who deal with this day to day:

Is it okay now to share daily earnings and impressions with someone else?

(can someone tell me the same thing for YPN?)

Thanks!

thegreatpretender

4:23 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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As for adsense, I think earnings is ok but not stats like impressions, epc, ctr. I don't know about YPN.

hunderdown

4:26 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)



Strictly speaking, AdSense says we can reveal only MONTHLY earnings, and nothing else. You can get around it by talking about your stats in relative terms.

rfung

4:50 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If that's the definitive word on it, many thanks!

Can I fudge my numbers a bit and reveal that?

say I made $100 yesterday, plus or minus 10%? (when I actually made, say, $90). Strictly speaking, those numbers are not my real adsense numbers, tho ethically it may be a gray line?

Ok, I'm not seeking validation to commiting TOS infraction. I'll figure it out myself wether that's acceptable or not. :) But any comments on that line of thought would be interesting to hear about as a way of talking to someone else about ballpark figures.

europeforvisitors

4:52 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)



Can I fudge my numbers a bit and reveal that?

Why not just honor the contract terms that you accepted when you joined AdSense?

hunderdown

4:53 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)



OK, in PRACTICE, it seems to be OK with Google for us to talk generally about our numbers, here, with other AdSensers. A few scraps of info is OK, though if you posted a month's report they probably wouldn't be too happy. Posting your reports on your web site is not OK with Google....

Rodney

5:27 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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From an example I remember ASA posting, I think along with your total earnings, you can speak in relative terms about your stats.

Like if you told someone by blending the ads you increased your CTR by 50%, that would be an ok example. Saying your CTR was 1% and now it's 10% would be against the TOS from what I understand.

Impressions is a statistic that I don't think is unique to google adsense. You can get impressions from your server logs, or any of those free counter services (like Google Analytics ;), so it seems like it would be OK to share just general "impressions".

europeforvisitors

7:09 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)



Impressions is a statistic that I don't think is unique to google adsense. You can get impressions from your server logs, or any of those free counter services (like Google Analytics ;), so it seems like it would be OK to share just general "impressions".

Impressions and page views aren't necessarily the same. It's legitimate to talk about page views as reported by your server logs or another source, but when you're talking about "impressions" from your AdSense atats, you're definitely violating the AdSense TOS.

rfung

1:26 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Why not just honor the contract terms that you accepted when you joined AdSense?

I suppose an argument would be that perhaps as the defacto standard and leader in the contextual ads market, Google is akin to Microsoft, and can just about tell everyone here to bend over, and people would still take it.

But, I recall a thread here about this, and it's not my wish to get it started again, so...

...because you're a noble man, and sadly to say, but happy to admit, I'm not...? :) Different morals, that's all.

europeforvisitors

2:39 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)



...because you're a noble man, and sadly to say, but happy to admit, I'm not...? :) Different morals, that's all.

It's not a matter of morals; it's a matter of common sense. If you're making money from Google, why mess with a good thing?

rfung

3:08 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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only because you keep asking:

I guess because I feel its a 'law' that has no claws, and Google just wants to be evil and set down stupid rules.

So much in corporate America is set or forbidden for no apparent reason and is there only for the unlikelyhood of someone somehow finding a way to misuse the information and put a kink in the system, and then the company can come back and do something legal about it by saying "it's here in the TOS/contract".

But legal points aside, the bottom line is if I do it(talk about stats) is because adsense is _our_ business too, and I'd like to be able to talk about it.

incrediBILL

3:20 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Different morals

Or lack thereof

rfung

3:35 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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ooohhhhh.... I was wondering where the TOS police was.

... I agree with your assertion of Google's ethical stance. ;)

incrediBILL

5:00 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I agree with your assertion of Google's ethical stance

Who said Google was ethical?

Anyone that lies about the need to speed up broadband with the evil Web Accelerator has jumped the ethical shark.

Doesn't mean you need to stoop to their level does it?

Lovejoy

7:53 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ah, just talk about it in code like they do in any other business ;~) There is no way they can prove you said anything.

rfung

8:06 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Information control is one thing dictatorial societies set up to remain in power.

We'll just agree to disagree, while our insurgency talks in codes, like brazilian slaves learned martial arts in the guise of capoeira...

:)