Smart Pricing

[yosaid]

The only people who are stuck with Adsense are the foriegners, the clueless, and the big dogs who profit from the unfair "smart-pricing" fraud. I am serious.

At this time Google needs publishers. Publishers don't need google. Thanks to YPN, Chitika and the new Adcenter from Microsoft.

Greedy Google is panicking. Check out their Referral program. looooooool.

[dzcap]

I don't care if people question me, I am actually motivated by those type of posts. So the more the merrier =D

[DavidDeprice]

Well, DZCap isn't the issue. But there is a big difference between an advice doctor will tell you, a medical student will tell you, and a security guard who works in a hospital and hears an occasional "doctor-talk".
If I am not mistaken, yesterday DZCap complained that he only makes 1 cent a click with AdSense. But in another forum, also yesterday, he claims that he is bummed with anything less then 10 cents
forums.#*$!.com/showthread.php?t=38544&page=2
the exact words are
"Mine is like at 10 cents, which is absolutely horrid."
Well, which is it 1 cent or 10 cents?
Same with YPN - if you are making so much money with YPN (let's forget the incident when you got conned), why complain about smartpricing? Plenty of people switched to YPN.
Another weird thing - 100K a month is a lot of money, why DZCap never says how he get's his traffic?
I have nothing agains some kid being a prankster, but surely his advice can't be taken seriously.

[dzcap]

It goes up and down, it's different by hour and day. Everything I've posted in both forums are accurate accounts of what I experienced. Why didn't I switch completely over to YPN? Because I still don't know the issue on international traffic, that's why I am dividing them 50/50 so I won't be as severely affected if something goes wrong.

I am running some tests on my new server so I've got some time to spare, but let's not waste my valuable time by saying I am lying, etc. =D

[DavidDeprice]

Come on, dude

It goes up and down, it's different by hour and day. Everything I've posted in both forums are accurate accounts of what I experienced.

So one hour you had 1 cent clicks, and then, BAM, you start getting 10 cent clicks?
Also, would you mind sharing some secrets - if you started in August, already making five figures and will make 100K a month in another six months, would you mind at least shedding some light as to how are you getting millions of unique visitors you'd need to achieve this goal?

I am running some tests on my new server so I've got some time to spare, but let's not waste my valuable time by saying I am lying

I am not saying you are lying, I am saying I am having hard time believing you. I don't know anyone who is so naive and inexperienced as you are who managed to make five figure income in less then five months. In fact, I don't know anyone who is a total pro and managed to make five figure income as fast as you claim.

Here is what I think about you - just a psychological profile based on what you posted here and in another forum. You are a schoolkid who makes bunch of made of adsense scraper sites and got bashed by Google. It's really unusual to get 1 cent a click as you've been reporting, especially since you claim to start several sites a week, perhaps as many as 10 sites a week. Your teamwork is probably your buddy or some automation software which cranks out RSS sites, which Google knows how to discern. You don't like making pennies with Google, so you are hoping make money with YPN, but I would not be surprised if you get banned before you get your first check.

I am not telling this to put you down, nor do I know if this is really true. All I am trying to say - if you are gaming with the system, you have no right to complain when it catches you. Good luck with you 100K a month in 6 months goal. Nice talking to you.

[dzcap]

Here's my FINAL post on this matter. I don't have to prove to you or anyone else what I claim to be making. What would I gain if you believe me? Nothing at all! $100K/month is my next goal, I hope to reach it in 6-8 months. I don't care what you think of this goal, it doesn't concern you. You could certainly bookmark this thread and come back to it 6-8 months later to see if I've succeeded or not.

Please remember this is my final post on this matter. If you don't see me answering anymore, it only means I stopped caring for your posts.

[DavidDeprice]

DZCap, man, chill out. No one here wants you to make less money. No one. We are here to share our experiences. All I am saying is that some data your provide is very strange.
You claim that you can have 1 cent clicks and 10 cent clicks the same day, in a matter of hours. Well, that's entirely possible, if you have very few clicks. If you said I have only 20 clicks a day, and one click was 1 cent, another suddently 10 cents - I'd believe you. I've seen things like that myself. But no, you say you make five figures a month. So at a minimum you make 10K a month, which is $330 a day. Divide that by 10 cent clicks and you get 3300 clicks a day. Divide that by 1 cent click and you get 33000 clicks a day.
So you are getting between 3300 a day and between 33000 clicks and day and you see a 10 fold swings in CPC in a matter of a few hours?
I have a confession to make - I've never been able to get 33000 clicks a day. Would anyone who's close to this figure please verify DZCaps testimony and say that it's entirely possible to get a 1000% increase/decease in CPC in a matter of hours or days for this volume of clicks? I guess it's not entirely appropirate for me to say that DZCap is not saying truth, since I've never hit the 33000 clicks a day mark, let alone in five months like he did.

[caspita]

So you're claiming that all sites not chosen for CPM ads are crap sites and so smart pricing lowers their click value? That only sites chosen for CPM have high values because the advertisers must be getting their money out of them? What about advertisers who are only interested in branding and not in clicks at all?

So... not being on your side means that I'm against you?.

I'm just saying that 'there is' ways for GG to know some advertiser's ROI and that 'CPM' is one of them as AW tracking or the new 'Analytics' are. For the specific case of CPM, even if used just for branding it means just that, "Advertirsers relaying in a set of publishers", you need to undertand that. It is the same as TV/NewsPaper/Magazines, etc. The best tv show, event or whatever will always charge more or will get paid more for its "Ad Space", it DOES NOT mean that the rest of them are crap, it just means that they are not worth enough as the best ones. Clear now?

BTW and FYI, my sites have not been CPM targeted and I won't call them 'crap', they have value for me and my users, it just happen to be that I'm not that popular or that some of my niches are not that popular either.

In the same way I can not say if your sites are crap or the best of the net, but instead of blaming GG for not paying enough or lowering your EPC you should concentrate your effort in making your site more profitable for your Advertisers, that is the only thing under your control.

Regards.