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This is my attempt to summarize several problematic areas of the AdSense/AdWords relationship - In hopes that these things can be resolved, so that AdSense will remain the best ride in town.
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This would explain low conversions for some people. Conversions having direct impact on Smart Pricing, lowering EPC. (Smart pricing can go real low, reaaaal low - ask any forum owner)
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This doesn't need explaining. This type of click fraud is theft... pure theft. I have found forum threads in Google from 2003 where the forum owner engouraged people to click like crazy, and even provided them a link to a separate window to click them in. The sad part is - today, ads still show on the site in question.
Here is a recent thread targeted at MFA's: [webmasterworld.com...]
Often times the owner of a MFA site will game Google's system by trying to advertise cheaply and convert the traffic into high dollar clicks on their "traps" that often times even disable the back button to force most people through an advertisement. These sites typically maintain about 90% ad content, and 10% scraped content. They must yield insane CTR's.
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Now you can even find AdWords advertisements that are advertising SCRAPING and scraping software. They are allowing their network to be used to advertise for copy wright infringement, and content theft. Just look at the ads!
On the statistical end of things. I find it highly puzzling why perhaps the single most important factor in the publishers long term EPC does not appear in the statistics. If conversions are affecting my earnings - I'd like to improve them. This would be best for the publisher, and the advertiser.
Again, I'm not posting this because I hate AdSense and I want to start a riot. In fact, I appreciate the program greatly. AdSense, combined with advice that I have received from forum members here has been providing me with an income stream that comes from something I enjoy. I never would have imagined. I would love for AdSense to contine on being the best ride around - it's simple, it is efficient, and it works for almost everyone to some degree. If the ride is going to go on smoothly - the tracks are going to need to be ironed out, as even gravity has its limitations.
I bet that they are the two most closely related factors in the degree that smart pricing "hits" any one site.
This business is a confusing one, as not all conversions are based on Google's official definition of sales, subscriptions, etc. What about advertisers who are just using Adwords to get traffic? How is the conversion/CTR ratio being measured there?
The other point the OP made about some of those sites having an insanely high CTR: this is exactly why I am really starting to suspect that part of G's smart pricing algo actually puts arbitrary, floating "caps" on sites hit with smart pricing. G might figure that the conversion to CTR ratio is off, therfore a site may be an MFA, thus triggering a cap on CTR, instead of capping CPC, ePCM, etc.(because CTR is tied to conversions more than the other factors).