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Whitey

4:34 pm on Apr 17, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Things are heating up for Google (and big tech).
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goodoldweb

4:20 am on Jun 5, 2025 (gmt 0)

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I believe the most effective way to handle AIO content theft right now is to allow bots (any bots) access only to article excerpts, with full access granted only after passing a human verification test. In fact, I've already begun implementing this solution across several of our websites.

Sorry Google you can't have my work and expertise stolen and published without clear attributions.

Whitey

1:15 pm on Jun 7, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Following up on the earlier point about the real battle being the future of AI search, not just legacy monopolies…

TL;DNR:

The upcoming judgment on Google’s antitrust case isn’t just about its past dominance in search, it’s a forward-facing decision that could reshape the future of AI-driven search engines and digital advertising. The U.S. DOJ wants sweeping remedies (like divesting Chrome and ending exclusive defaults), but Judge Mehta is weighing whether such restrictions make sense in a rapidly changing AI landscape. Big players like Apple and Samsung are already cozying up to new AI search players (e.g., Perplexity), and ad agencies are shifting optimization from traditional SEO to AI models. Google, naturally, plans to appeal.

Full article from The Times: [thetimes.com...]

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mosxu

5:22 pm on Jun 7, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Are you still on the ship?

Whitey

10:35 am on Jun 21, 2025 (gmt 0)

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@mosxu – still on the ship, but it’s not the same sea anymore.

The real navigation now is in AI waters, and the DOJ’s pending remedy (as covered in the Digiday piece) confirms what many of us have sensed; that Google’s dominance isn’t just historical, it’s actively evolving across tightly integrated verticals (Search, Chrome, Android, AdX, DFP), and any remedy that doesn’t treat this as a holistic system will fall short.

Movement for an Open Web is calling for a merged technical oversight committee because the search and ad tech monopolies are so interwoven. Their warning? Google can easily route around siloed remedies via technical means; just like it did with DoubleClick. So unless the court goes deep and coordinated, this could end up a symbolic shakeup, not structural change.

In parallel, as I mentioned in the original thread, AI search models (like Perplexity) are already disrupting the funnel. And brands like Apple and Samsung aren’t waiting around; they’re shifting default behaviors and, by extension, the ad ecosystem. That’s the real long game; who owns discovery in the age of LLMs?

If Judge Mehta delays or goes light, and Google appeals through 2027, the AI-driven landscape may have already calcified a new form of monopoly, just harder to regulate next time.

So yeah, still on the ship, but now charting a course with owned data, direct channels, and relevance in the AI layer. That’s what’ll matter when clicks give way to citations.

Curious, how are others here adapting strategies? Are you chasing citations in AI, or still optimizing for page 1?
[digiday.com...]

mosxu

5:21 pm on Jun 21, 2025 (gmt 0)

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@Whitey

Personally I am looking for something else not going to make money from AI citations am I?

I have put years of hard work and been defrauded to the last cent!

People seem to believe politicians are going to do something about AI/monopolies and so on they are wrong!

Kendo

9:46 pm on Jun 21, 2025 (gmt 0)

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I started working on a Bot Protection solution over a month ago and expected to show a preview weeks ago but it kept evolving. It keeps growing and is already as intelligent as the online support provided by our banks and utility services. To support all of its features we have had to modify our web browsers and so far have Windows, iOS and Android ready, with Mac in progress and a new one for Linux coming soon.

mosxu

11:04 pm on Jun 21, 2025 (gmt 0)

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@kendo

Which planet aw you on? Did you guys on Planet X not learned where the bots come from?

Whitey

12:13 am on Jun 22, 2025 (gmt 0)

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@mosxu - I hear your frustration, and you’re right that AI citations alone aren’t going to pay the bills. The shift we’re seeing feels like déjà vu , we’ve been here before with monopolies promising change but routing around regulation. I don’t expect politicians to save us either. That’s why I think our only real defense is what you hinted at: finding something else; direct relationships, owned channels, data, and unique value users want to engage with, outside the AI layer when we can.

@Kendo - credit where it’s due: sounds like you’re doing what many of us need to, building our own tools and defences. Bot mitigation is critical with what’s coming. Curious though, does modifying browsers risk fragmenting user experience or limiting accessibility for typical site visitors?

At the end of the day, we’re all trying to stay afloat in what feels like uncharted AI waters. What’s clear: the old page-1 SEO playbook isn’t going to be enough. How are folks here balancing investment between defending their turf (e.g. bot protection) and repositioning for discovery in this new ecosystem?

Kendo

1:17 am on Jun 22, 2025 (gmt 0)

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@mosxu - if you don't think that we know where bots come from, please enlighten us.

@Whitey - the solution I am working on is not just for our own use. It will be for anyone that has a website, regardless of their skillset.

tangor

10:37 am on Jun 23, 2025 (gmt 0)

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It will be for anyone that has a website, regardless of their skillset.


Count me intrigued. Please keep us advised!

Whitey

1:49 am on Jun 26, 2025 (gmt 0)

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On the topic of defending our turf while repositioning, I thought Brett Tabke’s recent article on SearchEngineWorld is highly relevant:

[searchengineworld.com...]

Brett outlines how Google’s strategy with Chrome is quietly reinforcing its dominance; not just in search, but across the entire browsing and ad tech ecosystem. His point ties into what we’re discussing: the old playbook won’t cut it because Google’s power isn’t just in search results anymore, but in the whole stack; browser, ads, data flow, AI layers, the entire ubiquitous lot.

Whitey

5:58 am on Jul 6, 2025 (gmt 0)

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More to come, no doubt:

[reuters.com...]

Thanks to @Rustybrick for the heads up

goodoldweb

6:50 am on Jul 6, 2025 (gmt 0)

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"Google said it sends billions of clicks to websites each day."

While shamelessly stealing and misusing content scraped from many more billions of other websites.

cnvi

4:43 pm on Jul 6, 2025 (gmt 0)

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from Yahoo News:

[finance.yahoo.com...]

tangor

5:19 pm on Jul 6, 2025 (gmt 0)

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"Google said it sends billions of clicks to websites each day."

Note: "billions of clicks", not "clicks to billions" of websites.

Wanna bet a hundred or so brand names get all the billions?

Kendo

8:41 pm on Jul 6, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Google said it sends billions of clicks to websites each day

That is one big fat lie of all lies.

Conro

11:13 am on Jul 7, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Google sends billions of clicks to websites that it has partnered with and that pay for advertising. They forgot to specify this

EditorialGuy

7:54 pm on Jul 7, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Never mind an advertising monopoly. The bigger problem is that Google is leveraging its search monopoly to favor and promote its businesses as a content publisher (YouTube, Gemini, etc.). This is reminiscent of what movie companies used to do when they owned production studios, distribution networks, and movie theaters. That led to a reckoning in the Supreme Court that had a huge impact on the entertainment industry:

[constitutioncenter.org...]

Whitey

9:46 pm on Jul 10, 2025 (gmt 0)

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I wonder if OpenAI's anticipated upcoming browser release will impact the potential decision to sell off Chrome? [webmasterworld.com...]

Kendo

10:47 pm on Jul 18, 2025 (gmt 0)

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It has been 2 months + 1 week... the Safeguard Cloud Paywall is now available.

Whitey

5:08 am on Jul 19, 2025 (gmt 0)

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@kendo - sounds exciting. Have you got ideas on how you can market it for the greater good in the artist community (I figured you might be restricted here with tos)?

Anything that can be done to help protect creative and copyrights in the face of AI/Google has to be a good thing.

Kendo

9:24 pm on Jul 19, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Have you got ideas on how you can market it for the greater good in the artist community

Funny thing about artists is that they are their own worst enemy because while they don't like people copying their "creations" they plagiarise others. In fact not many are original at all. Consequently, most are flattered by being copied and see that as exposure. Although I designed copy protection in the beginning to protect the livelihood of artists, I found that generally, they are not interested.

But online tutors are because none of them want others to copy and resell their lessons which are usually PDF or video.

How we reach them is they find us. But a lot are simple in expecting that copy protection can be applied to normal web browsers, when in fact they are all totally useless because they have been designed at cross purpose, to save, download, copy and otherwise exploit anything on a web page.

Some don't like having to install a new web browser even though it provides the ultimate solution. Our web browser is available for Windows, Mac, iOS and Android with one for Linux being released soon.

You can lead a horse to water, but having them drink is something else.

Whitey

12:02 am on Jul 20, 2025 (gmt 0)

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@kendo - it’s good to see G ranking you #1 for some phrases relating to your service. There’s hope :)

Kendo

5:11 am on Jul 21, 2025 (gmt 0)

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it’s good to see G ranking you #1 for some phrases relating to your service

Yes, but it was for a brand new 3 word combination. Wait till my competitors, including the ones that have no such product/solution, add those keywords to their pages. And being brand new, it hasn't been downgraded yet.

RubicCubed

10:14 am on Jul 22, 2025 (gmt 0)

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That led to a reckoning in the Supreme Court that had a huge impact on the entertainment industry

Google, and other tech companies, are now working closely with the department of defense [english.elpais.com...] which will give them a lot of flexibility to break the law in the name of national security. Even though Google has been found guilty of antitrust violations twice in the US, they are still being awarded contracts by the USA Federal Government. I don't think Google would be getting these huge DOD contracts if they weren't already receiving protection/assurances from the highest levels of government.

cnvi

6:56 pm on Jul 22, 2025 (gmt 0)

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“ I don't think Google would be getting these huge DOD contracts if they weren't already receiving protection/assurances from the highest levels of government”

It started long ago around 2008 when Google prohibited websites from linking with each other. And they got away with it because they have more lobbiests in DC than a total of all fortune 500s COMBINED according to the July 2018 60 Minutes piece.

Whitey

3:48 am on Sep 2, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Judge Mehta’s ruling, expected any day now, could soon dismantle Google’s $26B search default deals, with Apple losing up to $20B a year.

Analysts argue Google might actually benefit, freeing cash to double-down on Gemini AI and cloud, while users stick with Google anyway. The real question: will remedies spark new competition, or just accelerate Google’s AI dominance?
[cnbc.com...]

System

10:17 pm on Sep 2, 2025 (gmt 0)

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