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July 2024 Google Search Observations

         

renatovieira

1:15 pm on Jul 1, 2024 (gmt 0)

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Search Console frozen since friday. Has anyone else noticed?




[edited by: not2easy at 1:39 pm (utc) on Jul 1, 2024]

NeapTide

3:16 pm on Jul 29, 2024 (gmt 0)

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@Conro same here. From past 4 months I am also not reaching adsense minimum 100 dollars threshold. Traffic has dropped off cliff on my main website while it has a bit recovered on another website. But that other website now gets very low cpc.

I got 5 more months of hosting (I paid in advanced for 2 years) and I am currently owning 1 shared and 1 dedicated server. If things don't get better I will shutdown these 2 websites as well. Already have shutdown 1 website few months ago. Can't keep generating free content in return for nothing.

In 2025 and onwards, I am expecting surge in hosting prices as when more and more websites would shutdown hosting companies will lift prices to cover their own expenses.

Internet Pirates are just destroying whole internet for their so called AI.

Samsam1978

3:23 pm on Jul 29, 2024 (gmt 0)

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It is crazy.

[edited by: Samsam1978 at 4:06 pm (utc) on Jul 29, 2024]

Samsam1978

3:59 pm on Jul 29, 2024 (gmt 0)

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The numbers don't lie. Over the past three years, my traffic has plummeted by a staggering 75%. It’s a slow bleed—month by month, the dip in traffic and income seems manageable, almost insignificant. But when I look at the broader picture, it’s devastating. The decline is substantial. I've already downgraded my server to half of what it was in 2009. My server company is losing $1000 a month just from my account alone. The impact is more than financial; it's personal. This is my livelihood.

I fear that AI-generated spam will flood the internet (already happening since this update in July 2024), making it impossible for genuine, human-created content to get ranked. People may lose trust in natural search results and be pushed into an AI-driven world. It's terrifying, really.

The thing is: AI isn't advanced enough yet to provide real, trustworthy answers. But people are forced to rely on it because they have no other choice? When Google is providing the wrong information to users --- then they will sue. As USA is a culture like that. The days of small, independent publishers like me could be numbered. Even a Google employee left and said the whole AI thing is hype and they are over-investing and it will come crashing down.

Imagine a future where the internet is dominated by a few websites (or is this already happening?) Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Reddit, TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, news sites-- and maybe a few other very small search engines. Smaller publishers will be forgotten. Google will dictate what content gets seen; only (if we are lucky) the smaller websites with the "right" reputation will survive. Everything else will be shut down. Human content, and human experiences will all replaced by robotic information.

If Google doesn't whitelist OLD smaller publishers, or those that have human-created written content, the whole way we read information (and peoples experiences) will become extinct. Server companies will go bankrupt as there will be no websites left to host. Domain registrars will collapse too—why register a domain if you can't get any traffic? AI will monopolize the internet, rendering human written communication obsolete. And, this is not science fiction; it's a looming reality. And what's worse, spammers will invade platforms like Reddit and Quora and social media --- turning even social media into junk.

People might shift to social media for information and search, but how sustainable is that? Videos will replace written content as publishers try to make a living, but the ecosystem can't handle the sheer volume, and in the end, the publishers will give up. I am worried that there will be a total collapse within five years. Google will rake in crazy profits, holding a monopoly with AI search (that does not or will not) perform properly, people will sue them for providing the wrong information based on the AI, and news sites will sue them on copyright infringement, server companies, and domain registers will sue them for ruining their business. When the government finally steps in to save what's left, it will be too late. Laws will be passed to stop AI, and then it all crashes down.

And, it’s not just about the money anymore. It’s about the loss of various human voices, the cool, funny, witty information we use to find on someone’s blog, and the loss of human touch. The internet was supposed to be a space for everyone, where ideas could move around freely. Now, it seems like it's on the brink of being one blimming big massive robot. And I can't help but wonder—what happens to all of us when that day comes?

Plus, who's to say that someone (anyone? Apple?) sits back and sees all this and just creates another Google as people will shift over to a decent search alternative immediately as Google is not doing what the user wants.

And through all this, I think OpenAI search will fail, there is not enough people invested in AI --- Google themselves make themselves obsolete.

Those are some realities right now and fears. Signed - a worried publisher

[edited by: Samsam1978 at 4:50 pm (utc) on Jul 29, 2024]

Conro

4:29 pm on Jul 29, 2024 (gmt 0)

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If people lose trust in the content displayed in the SERPs because it was created with AI, why should they switch to an app that always uses AI? It doesn't make much sense, in fact at least the small site maybe manually reviews the content, but big tech doesn't waste time doing these things, they are busy saying that they are the best to investors who will run out of money

Samsam1978

4:36 pm on Jul 29, 2024 (gmt 0)

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Yes, they don't have time. They could use us better to get rid of the Junk especially if we run good websites. There is NOWHERE for us to report the junk to apart from a feedback form which (I don't know where that goes).

Conro@ You said this "There will be fewer and fewer online sites, especially the older ones, this will not only kill Gemini which will have fewer and fewer sources, but also google search no one will use it anymore"

That is totally RIGHT.

Micha

4:39 pm on Jul 29, 2024 (gmt 0)

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There is something else that you describe with your future prospects: information control. No major media outlet covers all topics, and even all the major publishers combined cannot replace the multitude of small specialized sites. We can already see that quite clearly. Furthermore, AI likes to fantasize, so the amount of fake news will also increase.

Conro

4:54 pm on Jul 29, 2024 (gmt 0)

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@Samsam1978 but these people at Google think they are smart and that they will find every answer on reddit, to be translated into all languages. Honestly, if I had to copy from a source, I would never go to a forum, but to a specialized site, where I am more sure that the article will be correct. Google, on the other hand, thinks, perhaps for copyright reasons, that it is better to rely on forums with low-level content. Of course, their AI is also low-level, I don't think it's a coincidence

Samsam1978

4:58 pm on Jul 29, 2024 (gmt 0)

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@Conro Quora outranked one term of mine with a post from a user about poo that has nothing to do with the topic. It summed up the entire experience. Google know the results are not good, which is why it's promoting forums. The simple thing to do is rollback before all these silly algorithms as they are just not working, people are seeing junk natural search results mainly from new sites using AI. It's not rocket science. If a site is less than 2 years old with 300000 pages it is spam. There is one more thing I forgot to mention.

THERE IS NO WAY - AI ads will perform as well as a website's ad system. People wont click on them. And who fuels the internet.
Advertisers. They will stop advertising and money will be lost. i have seen the adverts on the AI overview page and people won't click and they wont be able to serve as many. I think Google need to stop worrying about Open AI, and know that search with websites is a cash cow and they should just offer an AI search button for people that want that - not force it on people. I get the feeling that it is about to crash for Google as the main shareholder of Google is selling his shares. He knows, natural search with websites is the way to go and if Google remove that from their portfolio then someone else will take their place. DuckDuck Go are already advertising for a rebrand Director, and going for seed funding big time.

Conro

5:24 pm on Jul 29, 2024 (gmt 0)

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Yes, in the coming months I am sure that something will happen. Bing is changing its interface, with short AI summaries that push the user to click on the site to read the whole article, searchGPT is also coming, and it seems more like a collaboration with publishers, but it is to be understood who these publishers will be, whether all or only some. The only one who wants to shut down the sites seems to be only Google with their delusions of grandeur

Samsam1978

7:28 pm on Jul 29, 2024 (gmt 0)

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@Conro that is interesting how will searchGPT do a collaboration they are probably worried about getting sued.

Conro

6:18 am on Jul 30, 2024 (gmt 0)

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Google is getting worse by the day. Today I am looking for one of my articles in the serp, I find it more or less in twentieth position because it has dropped a lot. I check the sites that are there before and most of them are in English, they are not even translated. I searched on Google "it" in italian. It's truly amazing how much google garbage is

Samsam1978

1:33 pm on Jul 30, 2024 (gmt 0)

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Why are we all in the same boat. Black hatters just create and expect to be banned in a while, we create legit websites but get overtaken by these muppets all the time. They need to whitelist old small publishers so they don't look rank --- its as simple as that.

Samsam1978

3:01 pm on Jul 30, 2024 (gmt 0)

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I could see a search engine emerging with an angle on AI-free content now that would get some market share.

ichthyous

7:16 pm on Jul 30, 2024 (gmt 0)

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I am seeing a big jump up in the number of terms I am ranking on in the top 3 and top 10 results. Traffic is generally higher, but subject to odd patterns. Some days a specific country's traffic can be off by 30-60%. The traffic is not producing any sales inquiries whatsoever.

It appears that either we are already in a major recession (we aren't) or all the options loaded onto each page are just confusing people and making it harder for them to make any choice. The number of free and paid google shopping results, ai snippets, questions people ask, etc is just bewildering and overwhelming with some searches...generally the commercial ones.

Micha

8:20 pm on Jul 30, 2024 (gmt 0)

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@ichthyous This confirms what I see in my shop. More and more visitors, no sales.

I've also seen a sharp increase on my news page. I haven't had so many visitors in three days for a long time, and the Discover traffic is also better than it has been for a long time.
It's about time the update came so that my page can slide back down again.

NeapTide

2:01 pm on Jul 31, 2024 (gmt 0)

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@ichthyous @Micha

You both are getting mostly fake zombie traffic. If it were real people, you would be generating sales. Google might have mastered how to make their bots produce fake human like traffic but actually its just bots overloading your severs.

RedBar

2:38 pm on Jul 31, 2024 (gmt 0)

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I am also not reaching adsense minimum 100 dollars threshold.

Blimey, I gave up on that years ago after my CTR went from 7+% to under 1% plus G slashed traffic levels and, bear in mind, I was an original AdSenser in the UPS Club earning in excess of $10K per month!

Global site's traffic has been surprisingly good for a July but genuine new blulk B2B enquiries are very thin on the ground however repeat long-time cusomer orders (10-40 years) are holding steady.

UK hotel site has had consistent traffic and realworld business with both having a record July.

ichthyous

3:17 pm on Jul 31, 2024 (gmt 0)

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You both are getting mostly fake zombie traffic. If it were real people, you would be generating sales. Google might have mastered how to make their bots produce fake human like traffic but actually its just bots overloading your severs.


@NeapTide I don't think it's the case. I have bots excluded from analytics and I can see that the traffic is coming from around the world. Google doesn't send fake bots from around the world to pretend to be visitors...why would they, to suck up their own resources for nothing?

My traffic deriving from more commercial search terms has dropped, and been replaced with traffic from informational searches. Google is now showing mostly ecommerce enabled sites for those previous searches now. I'm hoping that Google find's that pushing only ecommerce sites on people for a whole range of terms does not provide the results it expected and reverses the trend somewhat.

We have all seen Google undo many big changes since about 2018, but the problem is it tends to last 6-12 months without business before anything reverses. It has already been about 10 months, and this is the slowest period for sales that I have seen since the Great Recession of 2009-10. We are all just being experimented on really.

BigKat

3:51 pm on Jul 31, 2024 (gmt 0)

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Seeing a swift drop today in traffic from Google here in the USA. Looking at the SERPS I see AIO is expanding into more searches and pushing organic results down even further out of view.

Micha

4:01 pm on Jul 31, 2024 (gmt 0)

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@NeapTide So when I look at the logs, I can see a certain amount of zombie traffic, but the majority is definitely normal. I think the problem is that people are reacting very cautiously. Here in Germany, you hear from all sides how bad things are going, and with the holidays, that puts pressure on buying behavior.

System

1:54 pm on Aug 1, 2024 (gmt 0)

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