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Google To Release Core Update From 21 August

Helpful or Cleaning up Spammy Serps?

         

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4:34 pm on Aug 18, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Google is to roll out a "helpful content update" next week, which it says is "to better ensure people see more original, helpful content written by people, for people, rather than content made primarily for search engine traffic." It' says it should take around two weeks to roll out.

Google makes it clear that publishers should avoid creating content for search engines first, and to focus on the people-first content.
This update introduces a new site-wide signal that we consider among many other signals for ranking web pages. Our systems automatically identify content that seems to have little value, low-added value or is otherwise not particularly helpful to those doing searches.

Any content — not just unhelpful content — on sites determined to have relatively high amounts of unhelpful content overall is less likely to perform well in Search, assuming there is other content elsewhere from the web that's better to display. For this reason, removing unhelpful content could help the rankings of your other content.

A natural question some will have is how long will it take for a site to do better, if it removes unhelpful content? Sites identified by this update may find the signal applied to them over a period of months. Our classifier for this update runs continuously, allowing it to monitor newly-launched sites and existing ones. As it determines that the unhelpful content has not returned in the long-term, the classification will no longer apply.

This classifier process is entirely automated, using a machine-learning model. It is not a manual action nor a spam action. Instead, it's just a new signal and one of many signals Google evaluates to rank content.


Just looking at the description of this, we could see some significant shifts in the SERPs.

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ne0h

4:59 pm on Aug 18, 2022 (gmt 0)

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oh, dear. Another update.
On the positive side, what else can go down, since everything is already down since 25th May

Alex_1729

7:23 pm on Aug 18, 2022 (gmt 0)

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What could go down? My remaining traffic.

Judging from that description, it just looks like another signal to make it easier for Google to penalize/reward entire sites, because that's what they do these days. Just like they did on May 26th. Oh, but they say: "we're not penalizing sites - we're rewarding great web pages." Meanwhile, they penalized my main site and did not reward any of my web pages.

tangor

8:55 pm on Aug 18, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Machine intelligence is not the same as human intelligence. It also lacks any emotion or passion (read that as you will).

Will be very interesting to see what happens to serps in the future!

robzilla

9:45 pm on Aug 18, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Happy to see they're taking on this stuff:
Does your content promise to answer a question that actually has no answer, such as suggesting there's a release date for a product, movie, or TV show when one isn't confirmed?

And this is a good reminder, since the question still pops up frequently:
Are you writing to a particular word count because you've heard or read that Google has a preferred word count? (No, we don't).

Interesting signal, but we may not see that much of an effect overall.

tangor

10:31 pm on Aug 18, 2022 (gmt 0)

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^Use as many words as necessary, and not 1 word more! (or less!)

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11:44 pm on Aug 18, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Great, just when I finished beefing up the text on my site sitewide and I'm seeing the benefit of it, now they may clobber us again. I try to write the text to be as unique as possible per page but there is such content it isn't always unique. My guess is they will use a lot of signals to determine whether a page is just automated spun text, and if your site doesn't trigger enough of those signals you'll be relatively unaffected. But if they release yet another half baked algo change we're all screwed again. And yes, it could just be another excuse to steal more traffic, but I think it's more likely that they are really trying to deal with all the fake pages.

tangor

12:33 am on Aug 19, 2022 (gmt 0)

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^ If you had thin content and corrected, don't worry. Thin content has always been problematic.

On the other hand, if you had good content and tried to pad it larger, that might result in an opposite desired result.

Do nothing more for a few months. See what happens. G does NOT respond to quick changes in a timely manner. Patience is required, real patience! Move too soon to change the index and you might reverse all you have already accomplished but have not yet enjoyed!

Seriously, do all you can to present a clean and honest site and there will be EVENTUAL rewards. TOO MANY CHANGES in short periods of time will mark any site as problematic...

Just an observation. All that said for other readers, if you are currently seeing benefits DO NOTHING MORE in "beefing up" for a few months! See if it sticks, and also see if the announced update has any effect!

aristotle

12:55 am on Aug 19, 2022 (gmt 0)

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a new site-wide signal


This reminds me of the mysterious signal that was supposedly the basis for the original panda that rolled out in 2011 and brought about such a big upheaval in google's search results. It was also thought to be a sitewide signal used to identify mediocre content.

Robert Charlton

1:28 am on Aug 19, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Particularly important in the Google announcement is its list of the kind of things to avoid when creating your content... posted by Chris Nelson of Google Search Quality...

Avoid creating content for search engines first... Answering yes to some or all of the questions is a warning sign that you should reevaluate how you're creating content across your site....

  • Is the content primarily to attract people from search engines, rather than made for humans?
  • Are you producing lots of content on different topics in hopes that some of it might perform well in search results?
  • Are you using extensive automation to produce content on many topics?
  • Are you mainly summarizing what others have to say without adding much value?
  • Are you writing about things simply because they seem trending and not because you'd write about them otherwise for your existing audience?
  • Does your content leave readers feeling like they need to search again to get better information from other sources?
  • Are you writing to a particular word count because you've heard or read that Google has a preferred word count? (No, we don't).
  • Did you decide to enter some niche topic area without any real expertise, but instead mainly because you thought you'd get search traffic?
  • Does your content promise to answer a question that actually has no answer, such as suggesting there's a release date for a product, movie, or TV show when one isn't confirmed?


(As SEO Michael Martinez hos suggested elsewhere, this update may well get nicknamed "Son of Panda". The list certainly has a Panda-like ring to it.)...

IMO, this update ties in with at least one other current thread in the forum. See the comments I made on that thread....

Structured Data: Tell Google About Product Pros and Cons in Markup
https://www.webmasterworld.com/google/5070615.htm [webmasterworld.com]

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10:01 am on Aug 19, 2022 (gmt 0)

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It's a bland name designated by Google for, what's likely to be, potentially, big changes.

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10:08 am on Aug 19, 2022 (gmt 0)

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If G actually goes through with what it claims it intends to do it could make things a lot better however it is very doubtful this will happen since G has had plenty of opportunities over the years to clean-up its SERPs only to make it worse with more spam, thinner pages and, in a lot of cases, far less quality resulting in global mediocrity and especially so insofar as the G USA SERPs is concerned.

And if my pages were as overloaded with advertisements like the G SERPs is I wouldn't stand a cat-in-hell's chance of ranking!

Do as G says not as G does :-(

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10:43 am on Aug 19, 2022 (gmt 0)

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For the record, Google indicated it would signal the start of the process, and then the end a couple of weeks later. I would expect that';s how long it takes for Google to process the current index and distribute across data centers.

I'll start monitoring the SERPs to try and gauge the depth and extent of this as it becomes an ongoing process.

Brett_Tabke

12:34 pm on Aug 19, 2022 (gmt 0)

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I just hope they fix any keyword search (it is a spam fest):

- with the words "movie", "Movie times", or "Movie theater":
- with a phone number
- for women seeking an abortion

ne0h

12:50 pm on Aug 19, 2022 (gmt 0)

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I think things will get worse. G will make sure no small to medium publisher survives and only benefit only handful of larger corp owing all the portals (ecomm, media, entertainment, tech, hardware...so on). Even if you think penetrating these markets, is a waste of effort.

Think about it at ground level. You spent hours creating one product, or article, then optimising it, paying for Ads, then making sure it stays relevant, make sure of valid backlinks. Hoping to get some return to the hours you spent. Well, bad news. You are either overtaken by large corp-owned pages OR, worse, someone just copies your item and creates something with a paid backlink.

Think about it - it's just for one page. Imagine the volume of hours you waste for Adsense penny returns for thousands of pages.

At any given time, if you think that it's a viable business, your bread and butter - think again. One fine morning G will say, you are wrong and your business plan is down the drain. even if you are honest about your intentions.

Coming to the updates: Have you noticed that G never says - well we did everything and we think it's perfect algo. No. it will never happen. It's a moving target. And G and its associates will keep the algo as a continuous process of breaking an algo and fixing it in the next update.

So, don't waste time on fine-tuning further - other than basic SEO. Even after this update, there will be another update. You spend hours and waste money to fine-tune your website - thinking that you are wrong. But how much do you keep on optimizing?

The spam is so much, G lost the ground - I think they even do not know how to distinguish from AI article, spam from a genuine article. Each of those has thousands of copies with modified published dates in structured data. G just keep on coming up with these conditions for webmasters.

At this stage, if you are passionate enough about what you do, keep doing it for the end user without spending much effort. And get a JOB or another income by some other means.

This business is doomed for small and medium business owners.

Cheers guys. I'm waiting for the 21st Sunday for the "big bang".

[edited by: ne0h at 12:58 pm (utc) on Aug 19, 2022]

mzb44

12:50 pm on Aug 19, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Seems to be aimed at niche sites, maybe? Even the ones not made by AI?

Let's be honest, almost all so-called "niche sites" are just "<keyword> something" articles.

They perfectly fit into this category: "Is the content primarily to attract people from search engines, rather than made for humans?"

That sentence seems like the definition of what people call niche sites these days.

I will be a fun few weeks and potentially career ending for many people, lol.

RedBar

4:05 pm on Aug 19, 2022 (gmt 0)

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They perfectly fit into this category: "Is the content primarily to attract people from search engines, rather than made for humans?"

That sentence seems like the definition of what people call niche sites these days.

I've been waiting to see if anyone else picked-up on that statement. My own realworld business that employees directly 7.5K people is a multiple niche product specialist, the very nature of my products and the demand specifiers / architects request make us a niche producer and yes, I produce website content to reflect those thousands of niche products. This is what my potential clients want to know.

Honestly, at times G hasn't a freakin' clue as to how real businesses and the world operates to survive BUT they're good at recognising search queries to serve mostly appropriate advertisements!

EditorialGuy

4:13 pm on Aug 19, 2022 (gmt 0)

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The idea is good, but as always, the proof of the pudding is in the execution.

Also, assuming that the algorithm works (and yes, that's a big assumption), I'd like to see it applied across the board and not just in a handful of subject categories. Otherwise, content spammers will just move to categories that haven't been affected.

mzb44

6:14 pm on Aug 19, 2022 (gmt 0)

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They are naming their updates now like politicians name laws.

"How can you not like this update? It's to promote helpful content. Clearly your content is not helpful. Are you a spammer?"

"How can you be against the Patriot Act? Clearly you are not a patriot. Are you a traitor?"

robzilla

10:09 pm on Aug 19, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Wishing we had an unhelpful content filter here (I've been reading "this business is doomed" for some 20 years now). Consequently, I think forums might be one type of site likely to be affected by this update. I'm often left frustrated by long threads that don't end up answering the question or offering a solution.

I'm just pondering what the approach would be for this type of machine learning model (having no experience with that sort of thing). It's English only for now, and there's a lot of emphasis on user (dis)satisfaction, so some feedback loop between language analysis and satisfaction signals (from SERPs or maybe even Chrome) would make sense. Combine the two and let the machine find the patterns to form a classifier?

Sgt_Kickaxe

11:13 pm on Aug 19, 2022 (gmt 0)



Did any other webmasters or members that have been building sites for for 15+ years get a sense of deja-vu reading that?

I'm pretty sure there is an old Matt Cutts video circa 2009-10 that discusses how having too many unhelful pages(low quality, thin content etc) would impact the rankings of the entire site, good pages included. I think there's a patent for this too. This next update seems to be having the same intent, but with AI deciding instead of quality raters? If memory serves correctly it would have been around the "Farmer Update", give or take a few updates so is this really new? .

- Wait to see what gets hit
- Go through the quality control process
- Move along, it's all anyone can do

I'll withold my opinion on AI doing the evaluating of "too much useless content" and the fact that this update may take months to hit you and months of wait time after you fix it to recover. Lets see how Google does first. I have a list of 24 or so extremely deeply funded mega sites with 50% + pure crapola pages of the 3 paragraphs on a never ending scroll variety to see how well Google does this update. They should get hit... right? lol.

Good luck everyone!

edit: I do like the wording around quality stuff from new or smaller sites having a chance to top-rank... if it's better than what already exists.

aristotle

12:50 am on Aug 20, 2022 (gmt 0)

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the "Farmer Update"

I don't remember that one. I do remember that, according to Matt Cutts, one of Panda's main targets was "content farms". The original Panda rollout was in 2011. From what I read at the time, my impression was that Panda "killed" more sites than any other Google update ever.

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2:34 am on Aug 20, 2022 (gmt 0)

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A page's usefulness could vary wildly depending on what query surfaced it. The same page could be an excellent result for one search and useless for another. Webmasters have limited control over the difference, alas.

My mission is to make the best pages I know how, then promote, promote, promote.

Focus on what I <can> control.

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2:57 am on Aug 20, 2022 (gmt 0)

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My thoughts are simple. Ever since G went public, their actions are solely focused on improving shareholders positions. Every year they narrow the window on useful results.

This is just the next step. They have proved that they are myspace, in a ticktok world. A ton of pissed of startups push from here. This is your last push G.

robzilla

7:51 am on Aug 20, 2022 (gmt 0)

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My thoughts are simple.

A little too.

A page's usefulness could vary wildly depending on what query surfaced it. The same page could be an excellent result for one search and useless for another. Webmasters have limited control over the difference, alas.

True, but I get the feeling this update aims more to target content that is generally unhelpful, i.e. content that leaves most people unsatisfied because it's just fluff, filler, which looks enough like content to fool the search engines... initially.

If memory serves correctly it would have been around the "Farmer Update"

Yes, "Farmer" was the Panda update, which had goals very similar to this update. Clearly the landscape of low-quality content has changed again and they needed a new approach.

longjohnbronze

9:27 am on Aug 20, 2022 (gmt 0)

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If they take "Helpful Content" serious it could potentially be nicknamed the "Zero-result SERPs update" for many verticals.

Joke aside, is it possible this is actually already being rolled out? We're seeing large traffic swings that *did* coincide with a large event in our vertical, but the traffic swings *also* affect a lot of pages that have absolutely nothing to do with that particular event.

Sgt_Kickaxe

10:01 am on Aug 20, 2022 (gmt 0)



It will be interesting to see how forum-based sites do this update. While the quality of many individual pages may be low the helpfulness of the overall forum is usually pretty high.

I'm up at 6am, coffee in hand, ready to do my usual but today I'm oddly unmotivated to do more than wait for a google storm. What I'd like to see, besides content spam getting nuked, is the army of sites with 90% "Best of" posts where you know the "15 items ranked" weren't even tested by the author also get nuked. There's both small and large publishers doing it.

Deep dive: If you are one of the SEOs Google reached out to for input before they announced this update I'd love to hear what you suggested to Google.

aristotle

10:31 am on Aug 20, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Yes, "Farmer" was the Panda update, which had goals very similar to this update. Clearly the landscape of low-quality content has changed again and they needed a new approach.

Most likely this update will "hit" far fewer websites than Panda did. If your sites survived Panda, then you probably don't have anything to worry about now.

mzb44

2:08 pm on Aug 20, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Most likely this update will "hit" far fewer websites than Panda did.


I see it the other way around.

The fact they announced this in advance seems like they want everyone mentally prepared for what is going to come next week. Otherwise they'd just launched it and announced it then.

But it's all pure speculation at this point, so we'll see.

mosxu

6:13 pm on Aug 20, 2022 (gmt 0)

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No update is any good it is all about moving the cheese
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