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Finding the Cause of Sudden Drops

         

Tolomen

5:52 pm on Aug 13, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Hello, guys!

About 2-3 weeks ago I made some small changes on my page ...
1.) Remove "Search" functionality.
2.) Turn ON Vignete Ads.

And now - about one week ago my traffic started to drop ... From 2.5k to 1.5k.
For info: my page niche is Outdoor.

So, what do you think - what is the reason behind these drop?
Is the reason in my changes? Or is the reason in seasonality? Or Google update hit my page!? :(

I'm not using any "black hat SEO", not buying links - only good, relevant and long content on my 12 years old page ...

Thank you and regards!
Tolomen



[edited by: not2easy at 6:31 pm (utc) on Aug 13, 2021]
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NickMNS

7:22 pm on Aug 13, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Hello Tolomen welcome to Webmaster World.

It seems unlikely that either of those actions would cause a drop in traffic. The most likely explanation is that the drop occurred despite these changes. But it is not impossible, so let me ask a few questions:

From 2.5k to 1.5k.

2.5k to 1,5k What exactly? Page views, users, sessions? A day, a week, a month?

Remove "Search" functionality.

I assume you mean Google site search widget? How much was this used before it was removed?

About 2-3 weeks ago I made some small changes on my page ...

Are you sure that when making these changes you have not inadvertently introduced any bugs? Is everything working correctly, as expected?

RedBar

7:22 pm on Aug 13, 2021 (gmt 0)

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1.) Remove "Search" functionality.
2.) Turn ON Vignete Ads.

Why not either re-install search or remove the ads.

Only do one of them and see what happens.

Dimitri

7:37 pm on Aug 13, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Check the GSC, to see what changed, impresisons, CTR, position.

You asked if this is seasonality related, so I assume your site is new (less than a year). Keep in mind, that this is summer (in the north hemisphere), and vacations in most countries.

Tolomen

5:23 am on Aug 14, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Hello!

Thank you all for your replays!

"2.5k to 1,5k - What exactly?"
These are the sessions, per day.
About a week ago I had about 2.2-2.5k session per day, yesterday only 1.4k.

"Google site search widget?"
No, It was a classic "search option / functionality" for web sites, where you write down some KW and the "search" check my page.
"How much was this used?"
Not so much? About 1-2 serches per day.

"... any bugs? Is everything working correctly, as expected?"
Hmm, I think, that there is no new bugs, no problem - I have very simple blog page and I can't see any (new) problems.
Page is fast, mobile friendly ...

"Check the GSC, to see what changed, impresisons, CTR, position."
If I check the GSC I can see that there is a BIG drop in impresisons. About 25% drop.
And also in positions. Average from 13 to 17.

"I assume your site is new (less than a year) ..."
No, the page is 12 years old. I have 90% of informational content on it. No black hat SEO ...

Thanks and regards!

Robert Charlton

1:48 pm on Aug 14, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Tolomen, welcome to the forums.

I'm noticing that when you're asked about your site, you respond about your "page"... suggesting that you may have simply a one-page site. What is the page situation in a little more detail?

If it is just one page (or several), is it on your own domain, with a server setup controlled by you? Please give a better idea

Or is it on someone else's domain, say on a subdomain, where they control the server setup and the other pages on the main domain and on the other subdomains?

It's my experience with a number of client sites that when they say they've introduced minimal changes, they in fact made huge changes in the navigation, changes which necessarily caused Google to re-evaluate much of the site in that interval.

Please give us a better idea of the setup... and, without going into specifics... describe the range of your offerings, and roughly what your business model is. Is advertising the main source of income?

Also, when you turned on your "vignette" ads (which, as I understand it, are essentially interstitial ads that pop up after your content had displayed, how did users behave? (My own behavior, when that happens, is to flee the site as quickly as I can)?

Also, though only a few people a day, used your site search, what was their behavior afterwards? I'm a strong believer in site serch,, especially in mobile.

Tolomen

2:15 pm on Aug 14, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Robert Charlton, thank you for your reply ...

My site - I have a web site, blog, which has a lot of pages - about 400 articles, forum, gallery, etc.
Most of the traffic is generated by articles from Google (90%).

This site is on my own domain, which is about 12 years old.

Yes, advertising is the main source of income on my page (Google ads). I also have about 10% of affiliate content and earnings from this source.

"Vignette" ads - these ads shows only on desktop when someone clicks from one page to another (like after clicking on an internal link).

I also checked my GSC today:
I can see that some of my really "strong" articles (KW's) with a lot of traffic in past have lost some positions in the last 7-10 days.
And because of that there are less impressions and also less clicks.

Thnx and regards!

aristotle

7:48 pm on Aug 15, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Sometimes google's algorithm will "test" a site by abruptly dropping its rankings and traffic, then waiting to see if the webmaster quickly begins making changes to try to get back the traffic.

Several times in the past one or another of my sites has suffered a sudden drop in google traffic for no obvious reason. I simply did nothing, and in a few weeks the traffic recovered.

So I would suggest that you wait a few weeks before making any reversals or new changes and see what happens. In the meantime you can continue to analyze the situation.

Tolomen

5:20 am on Aug 16, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Thank you, aristotle ...

I found this theme on a forum: "Google Updates and SERP Changes - August 2021"
And I can see that a lot of people have the same problems like me these days ...

My detailed analysis also shows me also:
- some strong KW's drop and
- one more thing, that some tools found some new (spammy) backlinks to my page (some directories, etc.).

All these I can read / found in these theme about updates on forum.

Regards,
Tolomen

Robert Charlton

10:12 am on Aug 18, 2021 (gmt 0)

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"Vignette" ads - these ads shows only on desktop when someone clicks from one page to another (like after clicking on an internal link).

Tolomen, my personal opinion here, as I'm not experienced with these particular ads.... Though these ads technically don't affect new page load speed, IMO they might affect a user's "navigation continuity", as they are potentially interruptive. For purposes of discussion now, I'm assuming that too many ads, particularly too many too soon, will cause some users either to leave or not to come back to a site.

(Note: Also see my comments below, at the end of this post, regarding a 2019 thread, which suggests that while my thoughts about aggressive monetization are correct, the Google "vignette ads" are not likely to be the problem. This very much depends on your individual site and situation).

As far back as the beginnings of Panda, we've discussed here that the Google Adsense team will sell more ads to a site than might be good for it in search quality or in user-experience. There's also a question about whether vignette ads leave "foot-prints" that are factored into search results in 2-3 weeks, the way, say, that too many above-the-fold ads did with Panda. Unless there's a direct and clear violation of Google guidelines, though, I think the changes you mention might take longer than 2-3 weeks to be reflected in the rankings. That's just a guess.

Possibly, if you had regular returning visitors who hadn't liked the vignette ads and therefore might be turned off by your site, you might see a more immediate dropoff than you would with new visitors. Do you monitor in analytics whether you are losing returning visitors or new visitors? The distinction might provide a clue.

With vignette ads, the impact would also depend on when a in a user's session the vignette ad experience occurs. Many search problems, IMO, can be attributed to attempts to monetize a site too quickly or too often.

I do know, without question, that the Google search team looks favorably at content that is helpful or interesting to a user... and it looks unfavorably upon content designed only to funnel traffic into an ad.... This is one of many factors that makes me believe that Ideal ad placement, therefore, is towards the end of an article... ie, after the user has stayed with the content for a while, and, thus informed by it, might be looking for further resources or more detail, or purchase options.

With regard to what you see in "Updates and Search Changes", be aware that the law of averages suggests that many people might be losing traffic at any one time, but not necessarily for the same reasons that you might be losing traffic... so I'd be careful about identifying with too many of the problems you read about in that thread.

You should always use site search here, before you post, to check out what's been discussed recently, or even way in the past. Even if your question is new and unique to you, exploring past discussions will give you a perspective on what the most useful way is to frame your question.

Using site search, btw, I found an excellent discussion from 2019 in the AdSense forum, which relates closely to the vignette ads, their expected performance, etc... and you should definitely check that out here...

Auto-Ads Revisited
July, 2019
https://www.webmasterworld.com/google_adsense/4953465.htm [webmasterworld.com]

Among other things, what NickMNS posts suggests that vignette ads are not automatically served to every user... that they're very high performing and do take users' interests into account... and for that reason aren't as interruptive as I suggested up above that they might be.

This also suggests that they're probably not the reason for the drops you're seeing. Again, try tracking new and returning visitors to see if these ads might be affecting return visitors.