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Best practices for setting up translated version of website on new URL

         

Zygoot

4:45 pm on Mar 13, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Long story short: I have a very old content-rich website. I rested on my laurels and didn't keep up with the latest trends. SEO for example is something I haven't really devoted time to for the past ten years or so...

The site used to earn a lot of income from AdSense and affiliate programs, but over the years traffic dried up and now this website earns most of its income via practices Google frowns upon like link selling.

I don't see a manual penalty in the Google Search Console but it's clear that Google doesn't trust my site anymore. It doesn't rank as high as it did in the past and Google doesn't show rich snippets for my site (Bing does). The obvious solution would be to remove all the offending links but we're talking about thousands of dollars a year that I can't miss.

I'm looking for advice on how I can start over again. Things to do and things to avoid. I want to start a new version of the website in my mother tongue and run the new site in parallel with the original, English site. The new site will use a different URL and a new brandname. But a lot of the content will be the same of course, with the same images, just in a different language.

Is this doomed to fail from the start from a SEO perspective? Or should I be OK if I keep the new site squeaky clean?

lammert

7:15 pm on Mar 13, 2021 (gmt 0)

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A new site which is totally unlinked from your main site will be difficult to rank fast. Also in my experience sites in non-English languages are much harder to monetize with ads compared to English language sites because of the smaller audience and limits in ad inventory. I would therefore try to use the power of the old site to push the new one. If the original site still has some ranking power in Google, you can use hreflang tags between equivalent pages to link both sites. But that can backfire if the original site has a bad reputation

If selling links is the only problem, you can keep the links up but add a tag to each outgoing link. With a rel="sponsored" tag in your outgoing links you signal Google that you earn money with those links without the need to remove them. I am not sure your current link buyers will be happy with that solution though.

Zygoot

7:56 pm on Mar 13, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the feedback.

I read about hreflang tags but I'm indeed afraid about the potential reputation impact on the new site if I create too many links and relations between the two sites. I'm not sure about the ranking power of the old site. It's an early 2000s website with a DA score over 50 and more than 150,000 backlinks. Looks good on paper but barely gets any Google traffic.

Adding a sponsored tag to the links is indeed not an option as that would anger the current link buyers.

lammert

8:21 pm on Mar 13, 2021 (gmt 0)

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150,000 back links is not bad, especially if many of them or of a mature age. Are these organic links or the result of your link building activities? I would try to find ways to use the power of the subset of those links which are trusted and can help ranking. Did you look into the Google disavow process to weed out the links you suspect of hurting your site rankings?

Zygoot

9:13 pm on Mar 13, 2021 (gmt 0)

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It's a mix of high-quality and very low-quality backlinks. I never bought any links myself.

The disavow process is only for links to my site, right? I'll take a look at it, there are indeed a lot of low-quality backlinks that look very spammy.

lammert

9:18 pm on Mar 13, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Yes, disavow is only for inbound links so it won't have any effect on your paid links on the site.

Robert Charlton

9:30 am on Mar 14, 2021 (gmt 0)

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If you are correct and the old site is already distrusted by Google, then I would keep the old site as separate from the new site as possible. This means that you should avoid any kind of linking between them... as tempting as that might be. If the site has been flagged for selling links, it's likely that links from the old site won't be that helpful in any case... and the new site could well be seen as a link buyer.

I would also avoid common hosting between the two. I myself take a very conservative approach to anything that might identify a connection between the sites. At the moment, you are correct that the same content in different languages won't be seen as duplicate. Too many link sources in common, though, linking to both sites, might be problematic. Google in fact once used the term "Similar sites" to describe sites with common link sources. This suggests that if a niche is small enough or specialized enough, Google may have statistical methods to identify similarity, even across different languages.

Though this may sound bleak, from what Google has said publicly, I believe that they do prefer to "rehabilitate" domains and sites rather than to ban them. I don't know what the waiting period is... but clearly you would be expected to reverse some actions and demonstrate that you're not going back to the dark side, etc. I don't know whether this is the kind of thing that John Mueller might give you a direct answer on, but I'd give it a try.

If your old site really is content rich, I'd work on updating and/or improving it. Go for content that is absolutely extraordinarily good. I would also, as lammert suggests, phase in the rel="sponsored" tags. How you work that out with your link buyers is likely to be awkward, at best... but chances are, in the long run, that tagging the links while keeping them up is the best perhaps the best approach for you and the buyers, as they too have probably also been identified.

Whatever you do, avoid appearances of manipulation as you are cleaning things up. You don't want to appear that are reacting to changes in ranking by calibrating your actions accordingly. See this discussion for background on why I say that...

Google's Rank Modifying Patent for Spam Detection
Aug 18, 2012
https://www.webmasterworld.com/google/4486158.htm [webmasterworld.com]

I'm relatively certain that I've seen the rank modifying patent in action, and I believe that it is something that Google has both patented and implemented.