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Google Updates and SERP Changes - November 2020

         

RedBar

11:05 am on Nov 1, 2020 (gmt 0)

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The following 11 messages were cut out of the October 2020 thread at: https://www.webmasterworld.com/google/5011839.htm [webmasterworld.com] by robert_charlton



My numbers are in for Occtober 2020:

Global B2B Melded Sites October v September 2020 +8.68%

Melded Sites October 2020 v Sites 1+2 October 2019 +418%

The last week of October was much quieter with, seemingly, no SERPs changes. I am expecting lower traffic levels during Npvember and December.


[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 2:51 pm (utc) on Nov 2, 2020]
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samwest

1:33 pm on Nov 1, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@Nick... do you see the quota effect every week? I can start slow and end hot or start hot and end slow. It's nowhere near the natural patterns of pre 2010.
Back then, I could set my watch by weekly SERP consistency. Gee, wonder what happened?

JesterMagic

2:21 pm on Nov 1, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Last 2 days I notice traffic down 10% or so. Our major keywords I check still seem stable so I am not sure if it is long tail being affected or maybe the upcoming election just means less people are online. In previous years Halloween usually doesn't affect our traffic numbers.

ichthyous

6:43 pm on Nov 1, 2020 (gmt 0)

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My USA traffic saw a massive drop yesterday, down 25% compared to last four Saturdays. It was all concentrated in just two pages...my home page and my most important landing page. Those pages were down 63% and 62%. I have never seen anything like this before...a drop generally affects the entire site, not just two pages. My CA traffic was down 67%, UK down 10%, AU down 59%.

Today by 1:40pm EST USA traffic is down 34% compared to last four Sundays, with the same pages sharply down. My SERPS have not changed much...Lost four Top3 spots, two Top10 and six Top30 spots in the last week. When I search for myself I am still there for the terms that would affect these pages...so what the hell is this huge drop? Anyone else seeing this?

NickMNS

2:37 pm on Nov 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@Nick... do you see the quota effect every week?

I'm not sure what "the quota effect" is really. Is that like "throttling". I don't see it like that, to me it's simply holding a steady rank. For whatever your rank you can expect a certain amount of traffic. In so much as your rank holds steady, the amount of traffic should really not change much. The other aspect is variability, in that you may receive the same traffic on average but have greater or narrower ups and downs. Sure if one see high variability but maintains a steady average, it could appear as though some external force is influencing your traffic. But I've seen my traffic go up and then stay steady, and go down and stay steady, and simply fluctuate. To answer your question, no quotas here.

As for traffic, I've continued to see a drop over most of the weekend, but this morning it seems to be picking up again. From this I conclude that the past few weeks of low variability has come to an end.


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MayankParmar

3:23 pm on Nov 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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One of my competitors is using infinite scrolling and intentional/unintentional bug is automatically changing the dates of old articles on SERP. Result? They're ranking better :)


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Robert Charlton

4:21 pm on Nov 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Mods note: We've just moved several off-topic posts about big tech business issues to our Googe biz forum, thread specifics yet to be determined.

Splitting and moving posts is extremely labor intensive, and it does not scale well. It's much, much easier for mods simply to delete the off-topic messages, particularly if off-topic discussion is woven throughout the thread.

In the future, your volunteer mods may decide simply to remove off-topic discussion without notice. Sorry, but we are volunteers, with lives and obligations too. This forum is for discussion about the Google algorithm. Thanks.



Six posts moved to:

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ichthyous

4:57 pm on Nov 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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As for traffic, I've continued to see a drop over most of the weekend, but this morning it seems to be picking up again. From this I conclude that the past few weeks of low variability has come to an end.


It seems to be cycling on/off again. This weekend my traffic was way down, and all concentrated in just a few pages. That continued through early morning, and then just turned around and traffic is zooming today. Like I have said in previous posts...a few days on, a few days off...but never steady traffic all the time unless you are a very large company.

StupidIntelligent

6:52 pm on Nov 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Mayank is right. If they don't core it up before November 26, 2020; Thanksgiving day. Then forget about it. Not happening this year.

renatovieira

8:29 pm on Nov 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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After a few days with good average traffic, today things are quite low.

Has anyone else noticed slow traffic and very low conversion today?

ichthyous

8:51 pm on Nov 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone else noticed slow traffic and very low conversion today?


I have noticed huge throttling going on...the morning started very strong, now by almost 4pm it's way down (-30% USA, -16% UK, -12% CA). Something very odd is going on as gained back the SERPS I lost over the weekand and then some, but traffic has been way down since Saturday.

renatovieira

9:00 pm on Nov 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@ichthyous - I was coming from a great week. It looked like a "recovery". My SERPS have been stagnant since may. Apparently the rollercoaster again... :-|

topaz

9:06 pm on Nov 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@MayankParmar I see that infinite scrolling bug hurting one of my competitors. articles published today, are being tagged as 7 days old. Google or the competitor can take their sweet time fixing that one...thx.

ichthyous

9:37 pm on Nov 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@renatovieira Me too...it kills me because on the few strong days I have lots of new inquiries coming in. Then it just dies and you sit for days without anything.

aristotle

10:56 pm on Nov 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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I have noticed huge throttling going on

Years ago there was a lot of regular talk here about throttling, but in those days the term referred to a different phenomenon. It was like the traffic would surge upward but then suddenly bump up against a ceiling and then be artificially prevented from going any higher. After a day or so it would fall back to its usual lower level where it would remain most of the time. The throttling only happened when it would surge upward due to some news event or special temporary situation. It would always be throttled at the same higher level.

ChokenBako

11:22 pm on Nov 2, 2020 (gmt 0)

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For me the throtteling results in a plateau traffic since may. I can do what I want, but the traffic remains the same.

It feels like Google decided: you won't get more traffic. Fortunately the traffic only bleeds a bit away... but no chance to get back to old traffic levels.

ichthyous

12:30 am on Nov 3, 2020 (gmt 0)

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No, I'm seeing very large swings in traffic..about 3-4 days high, then down for about 3 days. This entire summer it was the USA traffic only that was swinging, but as of this weekend it seems to be all of the English speaking countries...USA, UK, CA were all down. AU was up and down depending on the day.

aristotle

1:41 am on Nov 3, 2020 (gmt 0)

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I suppose there could be differences of opinion about what should be called throttling. In some cases "quota" might be a better word choice, such as "daily quota" or "hourly quota". Sporadic swings, in my view, would be a better term for what some are describing. For low traffic sites, random statistical fluctuations become more noticeable.

Athedian

2:30 am on Nov 3, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Massive increase in bounce rate, and after some quick investigation, found out that Google had decided to direct useless, irrelevant spam traffic to the site, forcing the bounce rate for a lot of our pages to be 100% with 0 second session duration.

So if it's 100% bounce rate + 0 second session duration, it's obvious Google's screwing with traffic with broken filters and algos. Not only that, conversions totally tanked last night (11/2), with over 50 pages de-indexed. I've checked our page speed, it's fine. There's no slowdown at all. No 404's as well.

Absolutely disgusting corporation.

MayankParmar

4:23 am on Nov 3, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Data for November 1 is missing in console?! It says processing data, please check back later.

Athedian

7:10 am on Nov 3, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Confirmed 11/1 GSC data missing. Must be election time. Conversions totally died today. Lots and lots of spam traffic. It's sheer crap from Google today.

mzb44

8:19 am on Nov 3, 2020 (gmt 0)

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For me the throtteling results in a plateau traffic since may. I can do what I want, but the traffic remains the same.


This is definitely a real phenomenon I have seen myself as well. It started exactly after the May update.

One of my sites was negatively affected by the May update (-70%) and since then traffic (and rankings) have plateaued at almost the exact same level. Like, you can almost draw a line from May 4 to today in Google Analytics. No major downturn or upturn at all. Always, every single time it's within +/-5% fluctuation.

This, under the condition that several things have changed since May:

- all the site content has been completely remade and updated by real experts and not freelance writers
- referring domains increased from 150 to 600
- ALL the new referring domains were 100% natural (like, actual real natural links added by the sites themselves without even reaching out to them). They linked to real and genuine researches we published on the site and promoted on social media where the authors probably saw them and decided on their own to write about them on their sites.
- Most of the new links were from big mainstream sites, like businessinsider, etc.

But traffic and rankings seem to have been capped at a maximum level. There has been almost zero movement either up or down since the May update. Like I said, you could almost draw a straight line from May to now.

I think it's related to whatever the May update did. Perhaps it put sites it deemed "low quality" or "low EAT" or whatever into a category where those sites are prevented from ranking further or improving until substantial changes are made and the changes are recognized during a subsequent core update.

This is why I'm skeptical in JM's comments that you can "recover" without a new core update.

We went from 150 links to 600+ (ALL real editorial - not even outreach - on mainstream and legitimate sites) + a complete site overhaul and it did nothing whatsoever. Literally zero. Like, I'm not even exaggerating. It's almost a complete flat line since May.

It does seem it needs another core update for any changes to be recognized. Or the changes we made just weren't sufficient enough to meet the "recovery" threshold.

What definitely seems to be the case though is that core update "recoveries" don't seem to be a gradual thing, as in, you do some changes and then improve somewhat. If you have been affected by a core update then there does seem to be a threshold (which seems to be very high) you need to hit before the throttling stops.

I'm not overly upset about any of the above, tbh. I didn't mean this post as a rant, just an interesting case study and theories on how core updates may work.

JesterMagic

12:19 pm on Nov 3, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@mzb44 it looks like Google assumes your site is "low quality" (even though it sounds like it is not). Google's ranking algo works great for some metrics but determining quality of the overall site and the specific page is not one of them. Just take a look at what ranks and on most 1st page of the serps for organic listings I find it is also 50% good and 50% bad.

Google likes to throw around the word AI and people take this literally thinking that the algo understands the content and can rate it based on what is written and who the actual author is and what the author has written before. This is not the case, they still just see the content as keywords and tries to analyze patterns within the keywords, etc.. and compare it to what it analyzed before with content that Google human reviewers have determined as quality content. With no true understanding of what is being written this type of approach will always be far from perfect.

JesterMagic

2:15 pm on Nov 3, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Lately I have seen several mistakes in Google Search Results which is favoring Google properties.

Using Chrome in incognito mode, In this example on the page 1 and organic listing #2 and #3 for a certain keyword I see 2 identical listings to an app in Google Play. The urls are pretty much the same except one has a few extra url variables but the page you visit is exactly the same.

For both search listings the title, description, and the review rich snippets are the same (except the votes count are slightly different).

jediviper

2:44 pm on Nov 3, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Checked 3 of our sites and none has any issues with 1/11 data at GSC.
One of the sites (mostly targeting NL) had a huge growth of Impressions for the period 11-26/10 and another one (targeting HU) for Clicks for the period 22-30/10, but apart from this nothing out of the ordinary.

MayankParmar

2:53 pm on Nov 3, 2020 (gmt 0)

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The data for November 1 is now available.

engine

4:33 pm on Nov 3, 2020 (gmt 0)

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SERPs observation for you to chew over.

Try an exact-match search for something, for example a thread on a forum. You'll often get a result when it's been indexed. However, that exact match search appears to be no longer accurate.
One search in that thread shows "11 Oct 2020 · 3 posts · ‎3 authors"
Another exact match search in the same thread shows "11 Oct 2020 · 30 posts · ‎16 authors"

Dooku

4:34 pm on Nov 3, 2020 (gmt 0)

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@JesterMagic,
" that Google human reviewers have determined as quality content"

You don't want to know where they hire the majority of the human reviewers.
But it explains the often completely ridiculous results of what is deemed as "good quality".
It's like asking a car mechanic to check the quality of work done on Nasa's SLS by there engineers.
But hey, what can you expect when you outsource this to save money, as usual.

MayankParmar

8:55 am on Nov 4, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Semrush is reporting some movements in Europe ^_^

immrrobot

10:21 am on Nov 4, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Keywords just don't seem to stick like it use to before may update. Some days it's 1 some day it's 10 playing see-saw.
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