Is Google News using double standards for old vs new publishers?

[PlinyTheElder]

It seems that sites submitted through a new Publisher Center are not ranking in Google News. I've been trying to reach the GN team on Google Forum and even wrote a message to the team. But all my efforts concluded without results.

The issue is that I was unable to find a least a single site ranking in Google News among those submitted since December 2019, using a new Google Publisher tool.

I have undertaken my own research and discovered that no matter what kind of content is published on a website, if it managed to get in Google News before December 2019, it ranks here.

At the same time, no matter what authority your domain has, how many posts you publish daily, how original your content is, you will never get ranking in REAL Google News.

To confirm my words, I suggest you type any new website accepted in GN after Dec. 2019 in Google in such a way:

site:yourdomain.com

Then, go to the "News" tab. You'll see your news articles. It looks like everything is OK. However, when you type just your domain name and omit the "site:" operator, you will see no articles.

On the contrary, if you undertake the same steps with any old GN site, even if it has only ten articles, you'll see that it exists in GN.

My suspicions are confirmed by the fact that I can't find a single article by the exact title in the GN search. This means that even if you post 100,000 news articles, you are unable to find at least one of them in the Google News listing.

I've been trying to attract attention to this issue to the GN team. But they seemingly don't even understand what I am talking about.

That's why I'm asking you, guys, please show me at least one site which ranks in Google News, given the fact that it got here via the new Google Publisher tool.

I would be happy to be wrong. However, all my studies pointed out that even if the site looks young, it is, in fact, a dropped domain, which someday contained a real news site.

P.S.: As mentioned above, it doesn't depend on authority. It doesn't work even if your DA/PA is over 70/100.

[aristotle]

Have you looked around in Google Search Console? It provides a lot of information about your site's traffic from google -- such as impressions, clicks, average rankings, etc, for the top keywords for any page that appeared in the results for the past 16 months.

There's also a section called "Coverage" that tells you which pages are currently in the index, with options to tell googlebot to crawl a page, and to submit (or re-submit) it to the search index.

[PlinyTheElder]

I ran 16 projects, including the one, which has 200,000 unique visitors per day from organic search. I know what Google Search Console is. Talking about a particular website, it is four years old.

Did you read my message? I don't talk about organic traffic at all. I wrote about Google News and the new Publisher Tools.

Several threads on Google Forums indicate that there is a bug in the new Publisher Tool. I'm not a newbie. Don't kid on me.

[tangor]

No experience re: "news" as that is not my niche, but I have to wonder if the G News tool is getting hammered by the bad actors looking for a leg up and G has "paused" implementation as they try to sort things out?

I remember the fiasco with the "submit a url" feature way back when.

[PlinyTheElder]

[support.google.com...]

In 2019, Google launched a new Publisher Center that combines the features from the former Publisher Center and the Producer tool to create one single publisher interface.

Publishers no longer need to submit their site to be eligible for the Google News app and website. Publishers are automatically considered for Top stories or the News tab of Search. They just need to produce high-quality content and comply with Google News content policies.
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Google introduced a brand new Publisher center aimed to provide little known publishers to appear in Google News. The key rule is to produce quality content.

In fact, all the publishers who applied to participate in Google News using the new Publisher tool are not surfacing in Google News at all. Moreover, I was unable to find at least a single site managed to get in Google News in such a way.

On the contrary, there are tons of sites submitted and approved in old Google News that spread copy-paste content or violate the rules completely.

Meanwhile, hundreds of webmasters produce quality content and not surface in Google News only because their sites were approved via the new tool.

It doesn't depend on DA/PA, etc. It looks like a technical bug. My message thereby is addressed to those webmasters who faced the same issue or managed to solve it.

[PlinyTheElder]

In my case, my project is approved in Google News via the new tool. I can find my articles in the "news" tab. I can find my project in Google news desktop and mobile app. My team post 30-50 exclusive articles per day.

But all the words above are not about my faults. It's a widespread issue. This is not about a newbie who is asking how to rank in Google. I have enough experience and 16 projects, as mentioned above. This topic is all about injustice in Google News.

I'm trying to find people who faced the same issue to attract attention of Google.

[google.com...]

[tangor]

Wishing all best in that regard, sadly, as I noted above, I don't chase "news" and, truth be known, I write/publish for me first and, second, don't care what g does regarding their "content rules to suck my brain sweat as they do constantly", to play their game.

Despite g's dominance in the market, they are not the only one, just the biggest (and pays lower than anyone else).

[PlinyTheElder]

The primary issue is that there is no way to contact Google and report the bug. As a rule, G newer agrees its mistakes.

[seroundtable.com...]

Barry Schwartz attempted to reach them and even wrote a blog post about this issue. However, it seems that Danny didn't even realise what Barry talked about.

It seems that they don't even know about the bug.

[TalkativeEditorial]

@PlinyTheElder

There absolutely is a bug with this. Have the same issue with some clients accepted through the new method.

[PlinyTheElder]

@TalkativeEditorial

I've undertaken my own research to define at least one site submitted via the new tool, which appears in Google News.

All the "new" sites appeared to be those that were raised on the dropped domains that previously contained real news sites and thereby were submitted before December 2019.

I was unable to find a single site that ranks in Google News.

If the discussion will be interesting to the forum members I could even provide examples.

Meanwhile, I want to be wrong. And my goal thereby to discover at least one (1) site getting in Google News, given that it was submitted through the new Publisher Tool.

[PlinyTheElder]

Also, I know that Barry is among the participants of this forum. Or he is, at least, among the readers.

He is the only guy among all of us who has access to the "body." If he or someone else could contact anyone from the GN team and report the issue, it would be perfect.

The crucial issue is that Googlers don't even understand what we are talking about. They claim that everything depends on the new algorithm. Meanwhile, the algorithm doesn't work correctly.

I have tons of examples when a site with DA close to zero exists in Google News, with one 10-15 news articles submitted.

At the same time, another example exposes how a site with DA > 50,60,70 can't get to Google News, with over 100,000 news articles indexed in a news tab.

It seems that the door to GN is closed to all the new sites forever. And Google plays the game with us by repeating, "create quality content."

[tangor]

Begs the question, is g acting like a search engine / ad provider, or a publisher / editor?