How to select a domain for PBN? Confusion picking expired domain

[ferozsyed]

I would like to know how to pickup expiered domain for PBN Should I pickup high TF and CF domains or Low Moz spam score with high Da and Pa.

I if check both I'm unable to pickup any domain. If i check TF and CF end up with high spam score. If I check high DA and PA end up with low TF and CF.

Pls help if any one expert on this guide me. Thanks in advance.

sorry for wrong english.

[not2easy]

Hi ferozsyed and and welcome to WebmasterWorld [webmasterworld.com]

I if check both I'm unable to pickup any domain. If i check TF and CF end up with high spam score. If I check high DA and PA end up with low TF and CF.

The PA, DA, CF, TF labels are a private designation, they may or may not help you find anything useful. The PBN can work fast in the short run but it is usually quick to burn. If the 'good' choices have been used up, maybe that technique has run its course?

[aristotle]

Be careful buying expired domains. If they were worth anything, they probably wouldn't have been allowed to expire.

Also, some expired domains could be under a google penalty, but you wouldn't have any way to know this, and you could do a lot of work on your new site without realizing that it was still under a penalty.

[tangor]

@ferozsyed ... Glad you joined us at Webmasterworld!

The day of the PBN has passed, and is currently not a recommended method for building a site ... or TRUST.

If you must follow this course, do as much research as you can for each domain from a HISTORICAL point to help make your decision as to applicability.

[ferozsyed]

@Aristotle, Thanks for the suggestion, I usually go through all the checkpoints before buying a expiered domains. I know it's not easy I always becareful before buying a expiered domain I check the domain is being indexed in google by searching domain context
example site:domain.com and also I check the history of the domain, history of contect and spam score.

@tangor, Yes I got the point, instead of getting backlink from spammy bookmarking, directory site, comment and forums. PBN is proven and greyhat safe method of doing seo work. I know it's not easy.

[NickMNS]

@ferozsyed

I always becareful before buying a expiered domain

I think you missed the most important point of @Aristotle's post. It is impossible for you to check whether or not a website is under Google manual penalty. Doing a "site:" search shows you a sample of pages indexed (typically not very reliable), it doesn't give you any indication of ranking, and it certainly does not tell if a domain is penalized.

PBN is proven and greyhat safe method of doing seo work.

PBN is not greyhat, and it is certainly not "safe", at best it is completely ineffective, at worst it will land you a Google manual penalty.

Google can be faulted for a lot of things, but one thing they are not, is stupid. If you were able to find a recipe online to game the system, then Google already know's about. Those (if any) that are effectively gaming the system are certainly not making those techniques public.

One word of advice, you would be best focusing your efforts, the time and resources spent trying to game the system on created better content and a better website. Unfortunately, even that is not guaranteed to lead to success.

[brotherhood of LAN]

I used to run a service that'd monitor expired domains and provide a searchable interface for them using majestic tf etc - there'd be an average around 15 million domains that had a TF or 5 or above. (FWIW for 'domain vendors' it's quite costly to filter out the 95% of poor domains to find the 5% of domains that have at least worthy metrics)

Would totally agree with @nottoeasy's description of metrics, they are some kind barometer but not the ultimate one, the ones that search engines measure for relevance. Many of them can also be gamed to the point they're misleading. I'd say at the least for them you can mostly discount domains that have poor metrics, but ones with good metrics you still need to scrutinise the individual backlinks and use your own SEO judgement about their potency.

Saying that, some decent domains do expire, but more often than not they go through a registrar auction first and/or backorder companies looking to pick up the cream.

Anything that's expired after a day or two especially for a gTLD will likely have a good reason why there's less value in it. You can get better luck with ccTLDs or generally any TLD that doesn't have a public zone file.

I wouldn't say "the day of the PBN has passed" - I mean, you can buy any quality domain and tweak it for your own purposes (be it buy outright, auction, expired auction, expired) and link to someone. Not rocket science and disingenuous to say that's ineffective, though perhaps the average attempt of a PBN is. If anything the barometer there is that the lower percentile of 'quality' sites or visited sites could have their links discounted.

Of course, manual inspection is another matter, and the links may be a good boost to a more balanced backlink profile or part of a shorter-term strategy. You can't fool a decent trained eye if 100% of your backlinks are 'PBNs'.

[StoneSolid]

at best it is completely ineffective

This is miles away from the truth.
At best, if done properly - it will skyrocket your site ranks, and once again if done properly - the effects will last and keep lasting.

Of course, manual inspection is another matter, and the links may be a good boost to a more balanced backlink profile or part of a shorter-term strategy. You can't fool a decent trained eye if 100% of your backlinks are 'PBNs'.

This is the full truth.
Starting a brand new site and focusing all on PBNs is doomed from beginning.
However, an existing site with a nice mix of existing backlinks will gain a lot from additional "selfmade" links.