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Google Updates and SERP Changes - December 2019

         

glakes

4:38 am on Dec 1, 2019 (gmt 0)



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by not2easy at 5:42 pm (utc) on Dec 1, 2019


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Solid quantity of traffic coming from Google, but it's all rubbish. I'd likely have a better conversion rate with the same quantity of traffic using pop-unders on unrelated sites.

Bing/Yahoo are converting well and Amazon is solid as always. Just another day of Google proving their irrelevance in my ecommerce industry...


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griffinx

8:26 pm on Dec 18, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Disable GA - don't give Google ton of info regarding your site.


What will be the SEO impact of taking out or disabling GA on a website? Has anyone tried?

samwest

8:46 pm on Dec 18, 2019 (gmt 0)

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@Nick, you sure pull a lot of inferences out of my single sentence. I'd love spend all day debating this and rather than irk you, one look at my historical data and you'd see what I'm talking about. Daily and weekly traffic levels are now "clamped" and lack the "peakedness" or kurtosis you would expect in a natural distribution, but we all know this is FAR from a natural system anymore. Been evolving worse each year since 2010.

Whereas my old data followed time of day and weekly patterns quite consistently, now it's a total crap shoot.

griffinx

9:40 pm on Dec 18, 2019 (gmt 0)

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My theory on the drop:

Earlier you were able to target a keyword and develop content. So finding a good keyword meant you can find a good audience = good traffic. People who were able to find good keyword + having good DA would rank high and get traffic.

The above pattern meant that Google search users were also able to good content because the websites having good DA (authoritative backlink profile) produced quality content + if you guessed what people would search for - you obviously wrote pretty good content to cover the search intent and have the visitor stay engaged.

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In one of his tweets last month, Danny Sullivan of Google mentions that you shouldn't rank check and terms it as guessing at terms people would use to find content. He also says its a terrible way to judge performance. [twitter.com...]

So now, there is a negative bias toward this approach - especially now that they have BERT to understand what the content is all about. So, I feel websites were bucketed mostly into two - wherein High DA + Good Content, etc., like a Government website or CNN or NYT and they let them continue or get a slight boost. Lots of Government website and big sites reported a traffic increase.

Whereas, if you were in the middle and Google didn't quite understand well your engagement pattern or content - you have to now fight out with everyone else including the bad content people for Google to gather enough data to judge you. So, I feel the traffic is getting rotated between everyone or SERPS quickly changed for the ML to have enough data again keeping in mind the BERT algorithm.

Now with BERT, I am not really sure about how it understands the content or if NLP is that far ahead. You can try some of google's NLP products here [cloud.google.com...]

When it was a human reader and human writer - a lot of grammatical errors, innuendos, slangs or human remarks are automatically understood. Humans are error-prone and that's just natural.

But, when a machine starts reading your content and understanding what you are trying to put forth giving it a lot of weight (instead of the keyword targetting) - it would obviously look bad and it could point countless spelling and grammar mistakes.

So, now I think in the long-term to win this game, before writing an article - we need to stop asking what would our human visitors like and ask ourselves what would BERT like? But, then again if you adopt that approach and start putting hours of time and money into it...Google still can one day decide we hate the new approach, not even tell all stakeholders, switch all ranking strategy and leave everyone scrating their head for months - as to just ascertaining what they are looking for.

Imagine you are a small business owner who had just invested in a lot of inventory keeping in mind last years traffic and you get a 70% traffic drop unannounced or unaccounted for right in the middle of the holiday season. That could for a lot of small businesses be a death knell.

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I saw this man vs machine fight happening in Google Adwords - wherein it jus became impossible to optimize certain campaigns as Google kept finding ways to fully spend the budget despite numerous negative keywords, targetting, etc., It was literally like playing Chess with a Computer on the toughest level and the computer always won.

Now, I feel like man vs machine fight in SEO as well. And, the more I think abt it. Sometimes better to just stop fighting the computer, give it the bird and go enjoy life. After all, we are here in a beautiful world and would be a shame to spend most of our time on a small box.

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But, anyways I have spent 100s of hours over the last month checking my website, all the forums, etc., just trying to figure out what is going wrong. I know collectively just with the people on this forum we would all have spent countless manhours - JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS WRONG! And, we still don't have an answer.

The above question could have been answered by Google in a simple blog post which wouldn't have taken a person writing it 10 minutes. That is the sad part.

To cap it all - I invite everyone to watch this video where Sathya Nadella talks about how businesses should have empathy. [youtube.com...]

Empathy is humanness. Empathy is something machines don't have.

He also talks abt how all the plans he had crumpled when he had a son with Cerebral Palsy. But, then came out stronger. Like that - the sun will rise again tomorrow and life will go on with or without website traffic. And, humans will win :)

jmorgan

10:15 pm on Dec 18, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Unless you're in the retail or travel sector/niche, traffic will plunge quite dramatically from here and only gradually recover after the new year.

MayankParmar

5:44 am on Dec 19, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Drop in Google Discover traffic. Update?

elguiri

8:58 am on Dec 19, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Does anyone know if Google is having a Christmas code freeze like last year? (I just want to know if I can spend the holidays drinking :)

BushyTop

9:54 am on Dec 19, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Seeing massive changes again this morning. It appears that this is the new norm.

RedBar

11:52 am on Dec 19, 2019 (gmt 0)

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What will be the SEO impact of taking out or disabling GA on a website? Has anyone tried?

I did that some 10 years ago with all my major, no effect whatsoever then, no idea about these days other than I have several more recent sites that have never had GA and they all rank well.

seomotionz

12:14 pm on Dec 19, 2019 (gmt 0)

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SEMrush is going nuts. Its reporting 5.2. Can't blame them pretty much garbage traffic today. Bots, zombies, spammers all in one day.

samwest

12:52 pm on Dec 19, 2019 (gmt 0)

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(I just want to know if I can spend the holidays drinking :)

My advice to you, is to start drinking heavily... ;) [youtu.be...]

Happy Holidays!

vphoner

3:35 pm on Dec 19, 2019 (gmt 0)

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My site was hit very hard after December 3rd. Still seems to be dropping in traffic since then. Very depressing as traffic is usually higher now, and my traffic is extremely low and am still seeing dropping in rankings progressing. I can only hope that this is reversed at some point. As an affiliate site, I recently (late November) put the FTC disclosure (in text) at the top of every page. Could this account for the drop in rankings? Trying to figure out what is going on.....

RedBar

4:05 pm on Dec 19, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Well, I was getting a little concerned about a 20 year old .co.uk site's traffic however a few minutes ago I went to check my records and it is actually performing precisely the same as previous Decembers ... Good job I keep my data:-)

mosxu

4:43 pm on Dec 19, 2019 (gmt 0)

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@griffinix

“ I saw this man vs machine fight happening in Google Adwords - wherein it jus became impossible to optimize certain campaigns as Google kept finding ways to fully spend the budget despite numerous negative keywords, targetting, etc., It was literally like playing Chess with a Computer on the toughest level and the computer always won. ”

That is so right we all discussed here that buyers abandon google search because of amazon and other brands sites:

They are playing a chess game not sure if it is legal in any country of this planet. We have done a lot of optimisation work but less and less buyers see my ads while some favoured accounts are booming.

Technically they still showing ads to whoever visited our site but not to new ready to buy searchers.

heisje

8:08 pm on Dec 19, 2019 (gmt 0)

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“We don’t need you to type at all. We know where you are. We know where you’ve been. We can more or less know what you’re thinking about.” : former Google boss Eric Schmidt

Explains all the p-o-r-n ... my friend said.

(from the Guardian today)
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mosxu

7:59 am on Dec 20, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Eric said it all he also proposed to EU to show only three ads. Technically they can only provide conversions to about 3 advertisers to be able to keep the bid high and not compromise ad rank formula.

How they know what are you thinking about and why is location so important is a different story.

seomotionz

12:58 pm on Dec 20, 2019 (gmt 0)

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GA is broken again and this time real-time stats were first hit. Way much more difference in adsense and analytics.

In the mean time traffic is down 20% for a site which has came across against each & every update as victorious. Its in travel niche.

samwest

3:38 pm on Dec 20, 2019 (gmt 0)

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What's the use of even commenting here anymore...try to have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, regardless of what "The Grinch" takes. Out.

thejimster

4:26 pm on Dec 20, 2019 (gmt 0)

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GA is broken again

@seomotionz came here to see if anyone else thought their GA was having issues agin. Our traffic is way down compared to yesterday, but hoping this is just a reporting issue.

seomotionz

4:33 pm on Dec 20, 2019 (gmt 0)

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@thejimster Luckily We have 'OpenWebAnalytics'. You should try it too.

And Merry Christmas people & a very happy New Year in advance.

nomis5

6:47 pm on Dec 20, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Unless you're in the retail or travel sector/niche, traffic will plunge quite dramatically from here and only gradually recover after the new year.


Rubbish! Totally depends on your niche.

seomotionz

4:18 am on Dec 21, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Unless you're in the retail or travel sector/niche, traffic will plunge quite dramatically from here and only gradually recover after the new year.

I don't think so. I am hearing that some evergreen content has been hit in the casual niches such as travel, life-style etc.

And also it depends on the niche. Yes, there is a pattern but no one can tell for sure.

WhoKnows111

10:23 am on Dec 21, 2019 (gmt 0)

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traffic is bad the past 3 days but can't see any changes in ranking - whether manually typing kws or semrush

n0tSEO

3:40 pm on Dec 21, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Been experience great loss in rankings since December 6. Many pages from the main site and sub-blogs where deindexed but there's no sign of any manual action and some of these sites I've been updating and fixing over the last two months. However, Matomo shows no significant loss in search engine traffic (which is around 2% for me, since I get most of my visitors from direct entry, referral and social media traffic).

JesterMagic

4:09 pm on Dec 21, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Googlebot visits have spike today, and bot traffic has steadily increased through out this month.

I am finding a lot of my scraped page content results (search of unique sentence of my content using quotes) in Google Search from hosts in Asia and Russia but when you visit directly it shows you something else entirely. Our page is listed first but then you have 7 plus search pages showing results using my scraped content. I don't understand why Google doesn't see these as bad actors. My site has been live for close to 20 years and yet we have slipped this past year while large media websites posting fluff pieces and a couple of new entry niche sites that use grey SEO tactics (like changing page titles to reflect current month and year) and no back link profiles surge a head of us.

SweetPotato

7:33 pm on Dec 21, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Jester, I see the same. Millions of spam sites that show one thing to Googlebot and another to the visitor. Is like Google AI can't recognize the most basic of web Spam. Bing doesn't index those sites at all. I'm waiting for the day these sites disappear but only increase.
Also Google docs with a bunch of spam text an image and a link rank very well. Countless of those too.

Google serps is mindless, is what you would have if no human ever took a look at it. Makes me wonder if they fired their anti spam team long ago, or they gave full control to the AI.

KaseyM

10:37 pm on Dec 21, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Big changes going on this weekend! Google News rich snippets seem to be gone and a few news sites are no longer showing dates on our SERP's either.

Google Discover seems to be off too.

All resulting in a big drop in traffic.

HAPPY CHRISTMAS

hodl2themoon

12:10 am on Dec 22, 2019 (gmt 0)

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News Update may be going live today, top stories and news indexing going slow, also noticed for a few seconds some new News layout for top stories while searching some popular topics for my niche (mozaic style instead of a carousel). Discover traffic stopped as well. If anyone else has similar reports please share.

strummer19

10:36 am on Dec 22, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Hi KaseyM and hodl2themoon, same problem for me.

hodl2themoon

10:48 am on Dec 22, 2019 (gmt 0)

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This REALLY feels similar to the June update the wiped out a lot of News sites, I hope some good changes are coming soon. Google News has been completely #*$! in the past 5 months.

strummer19

11:19 am on Dec 22, 2019 (gmt 0)

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A @&$! christmas gift from G....
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