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Google Updates and SERP Changes - October 2018

         

broccoli

11:36 am on Oct 1, 2018 (gmt 0)

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I seem to have recovered most of my rankings from before my suspected mobile-first Fred penalty, apart from the very highest volume ones, where an annoying thin-content site is still pushing me down.

The traffic to my site has doubled to about 4K. I’m still well off the 10K figure I was at before the March update pushed up a bunch of low quality sites in my niche.

No corresponding increase in adsense earnings though. As I’m a viral site I see weird, unnatural adsense drops after traffic increases all the time. CPC is still the same but CTR has halved. I hope it settles down. If not, my entire niche may no longer be financially viable.


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BushyTop

10:14 am on Oct 9, 2018 (gmt 0)

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@pritz showing for US DT but nothing else... interrreesssttinnnggggg....

Shepherd

10:35 am on Oct 9, 2018 (gmt 0)

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googlle has been selling the opportunity to have your ad shown when the searcher is "more likely to buy" for years now. "...ECPC adjusting each bid based on how likely it is that a click will result in a conversion. If a click seems likely to convert, ECPC will raise your max CPC".

It would be in google's best interest, google customer's best interest (the advertiser), and little harm to the searcher, to show the best ads and the informational organic results set when the searcher has been identified as a buyer.

Mark_A

11:59 am on Oct 9, 2018 (gmt 0)

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People who have benefited from the recent updates, are keeping quiet.

As one might expect.

renatovieira

12:05 pm on Oct 9, 2018 (gmt 0)

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@Mark_A

I said that my site benefited yesterday. I had a peak traffic on Monday morning. Something very unusual.

Semrush, Organic Research in UK, I had an immense improvement in my position. Something around 1500%

Let's see if this will remain.

tourism, usa

jmorgan

12:14 pm on Oct 9, 2018 (gmt 0)

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By the way, if your website caters to a global market, some states in Australia are having their school holidays at the moment which may affect your traffic.

glakes

12:23 pm on Oct 9, 2018 (gmt 0)



It would be in google's best interest, google customer's best interest (the advertiser), and little harm to the searcher, to show the best ads and the informational organic results set when the searcher has been identified as a buyer.

The problem is Google does not show ads above the fold, they show a single ad. In my industry that single ad leads to Amazon. Google also crowds the top of the organic results with multiple Amazon pages. The harm to the searcher comes from a lack of choice. It is true we are free to compete with Amazon for that single ad, but most of us can't transfer funds from an extremely profitable cloud business and pour it into our web stores as Amazon does.

The only workaround for Google limiting user choice was to participate in Google's shopping ads, where Google does not give Amazon every listing. And contrary to belief, Amazon still is running product ads in our industry. Unfortunately Google was not consistent in showing product ads, leaving advertisers losing out on visibility for many queries. Since the 9/27 update, ROI from those shopping ads has been halved just as organic conversions from Google have taken a nosedive. For the most part, this has been offset by increased sales on Amazon for us.

Getting back to what is in the best interest of searchers... Amazon takes a 15% commission on every sale unless the buyer purchases with a foreign currency. Amazon charges sellers an additional 2% fee to convert currency. Amazon also does not offer real time freight quotes. This leads to higher costs for consumers. For example, we do not offer quantity discounts on Amazon though much of what we sell is often purchased in pairs or sets (ie. most people buy four tires for their vehicles). Since Amazon does not offer real time freight quotes, what we charge for shipping is set to cover the cost of shipping from one coast to another. What this means is that a buyer a street away will pay a highly inflated shipping cost. It is true we could use FBA (Fulfilled by Amazon) to ship our products, but the added warehousing and pick/pack fees cut deeply into margins. In using FBA, sellers must rely on an increasingly incompetent Amazon staff to pack/ship their products and manage returns. Such returns are approved by Amazon even if buyers send in the wrong items, leading to large losses that must be absorbed by increasing the prices of goods sold within the Amazon marketplace. This is why domestic sellers on Amazon are in the minority. Over half the sellers on Amazon reside in China, and these sellers have little choice but to absorb the costs of excessive fees, excessive buyer fraud, incompetency by Amazon's staff, etc. associated with FBA. However, offshore sellers have the profit margins that allows them to absorb these expenses and losses unlike domestic sellers.

I just don't see much reason for Google to be crowding the SERPS with Amazon pages. As a seller on Amazon, it's ok that Google does this because ultimately what they take from our site is made up in sales on Amazon - making it a wash for us. If Google wants to send their users to Amazon, where consumers often pay an inflated price for goods that are sold mostly by offshore sellers, that is their choice. But Google should not expect those of us that run our own stores to look at Google's paid advertising opportunities with any enthusiasm when such advertising opportunities are designed to limit choice to the single highest bidder, which in most cases is Amazon as they can transfer funds from their highly profitable cloud business to snuff out competition that lacks similar resources.

This last update in Google (9/27 roughly) halved our conversions but left traffic quantity stable. Having our conversions cut in half, when Google has done this many times before, ultimately results in few conversions from Google at all in our busiest month of the year. Google's shopping ads make no difference in conversions either. All one has to do is look at Google's search results to see why. Google shoves Amazon down their user's throats so badly that there is no room for anything else. This lack of choice/competition, IMO, is where the real and often unnoticed harm to searchers/consumers occurs.

It looks like Google is updating again today, with major flux in the SERPS. Can I expect Google to cut our already abysmal store conversions in half again or should I expect our Amazon sales to double?

Mark_A

12:29 pm on Oct 9, 2018 (gmt 0)

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Hi renatovieira, sorry I didn't see your post. Do you have an idea why your site benefited from the update?

analis

12:32 pm on Oct 9, 2018 (gmt 0)

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Today it seems something is moving after September 27th at the time the visitors of Tuesday, October 9th are the same as on Tuesday 25th September (period before the update).

accuranker signals strong movement today

[accuranker.com...]

aristotle

12:49 pm on Oct 9, 2018 (gmt 0)

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People see a few hours of increased or decreased google traffic on one site and jump to the conclusion that a big general update has started.

renatovieira

1:14 pm on Oct 9, 2018 (gmt 0)

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@Mark_A - I have no idea what might be happening. This peak of traffic has been on since Sunday. Many see from the UK and Europe in general.

I have made some adjustments to the structure of my site in recent months. My site got much lighter and faster. Perhaps this is the reason for this ranking gain.

thejimster

1:17 pm on Oct 9, 2018 (gmt 0)

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Things are moving.. a little. Our main landing page was nowhere to be found since the 27th after being on page 1 for years. It's back, but at #35-38 this morning on desktop for close variants of the keyword. The outdated/random info articles we wrote 8-10 years ago that were ranking earlier this month for our primary term are no longer showing.

The strange thing I've been seeing since the 27th (possibly this has been going on since the Medic update), is that lots of obviously local businesses (but not anywhere close to me) are ranking on page 2, 3, 4 that I've never really seen before. Not that they're getting any significant business, but it's strange to see a business 1000 miles away ranking #11 that probably wouldn't even service/sell us anything if we called.

Jori

2:02 pm on Oct 9, 2018 (gmt 0)

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To those impacted by the birthday update : is your brand strong?

I mean, is it researched ? Do you see it on Google Trends for instance ?

My theory: Google tweaked a bit the algo to put more weight on websites with a searched brand.

ichthyous

3:31 pm on Oct 9, 2018 (gmt 0)

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My theory: Google tweaked a bit the algo to put more weight on websites with a searched brand.


My name is my brand and searches for my name and business name are the top two organic search terms driving traffic to my site. Traffic from both of those brand search terms fell off a cliff just like non-branded searches. I can't figure that out... How can 25% fewer suddenly people stop searching my name?

My theory: Google is punishing sites which are selling products. Could it be that pages with 'product' structured data tags are getting hit? Nothing else changed on my site except that I recently got a mobile first index notification on the 19th. On the 26th my site started to plummet and has not really recovered at all. First big traffic hit for me in years. Yesterday it looks like it started to bump up slightly, but no where near recovery.

Milchan

4:21 pm on Oct 9, 2018 (gmt 0)

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Could it be that pages with 'product' structured data tags are getting hit?


This is one of my observations - I have schema type offer / product etc and am using a eccommerce type cms yet my competitors are on pure wordpress and use schema article.

I do well for transactional intent queries but since Media update I have fallen off for all informational searches even though I have good informational content.

we cant know for sure what was changed but it does seems that something along these lines has been targeted - YMYL being treated stricter and weighted more to clear transactional searches but less clearly transacational or clearly informational search , "article" based sites are being given preference (regardless of them actually being YMYL sites anyway)

broccoli

4:33 pm on Oct 9, 2018 (gmt 0)

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@Ichthyous It’s possibly either ad heavy or speed related if you saw a drop a few days after mobile first. Google punished me by putting me in third place for my own brand. Your site might be dancing up and down and you might not see it unless you search several times, i.e one in four searches might show you in second place on mobile or something like that. Thankfully I recovered my brand ranking in this update after moving my ads.

renatovieira

9:09 pm on Oct 9, 2018 (gmt 0)

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Something is happening. High organic traffic all day long. Tourism, usa

ichthyous

10:20 pm on Oct 9, 2018 (gmt 0)

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@milchan I just started using schema tags about 3 months ago and set my pages to type 'product' as well. Before that the pages had no schema tags other than 'person'. I suspect that you are right and I thought twice about classifying my pages as products, but saw that my competitors were doing that and ranked much better for searches related to purchasing finished products than I did. I suspect that rather than competing better against huge chains and billion dollar companies on product type searches, instead I lost a lot of ground on the informational (non-transactional) searches. It did not happen immediately and in fact the pages have all been indexed for some time with schema type product. It all crashed on 9/26-9/27 at once.

@broccoli I don't run any ads of any kind on my site, nor do I purchase any. The site is also pretty fast on mobile but could always be better.

MayankParmar

7:05 am on Oct 10, 2018 (gmt 0)

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This update trashed my site. The #*$!ty sites with thin content just outranked me. I just can't believe this.

MayankParmar

7:53 am on Oct 10, 2018 (gmt 0)

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A site that outranked me has 150 words versus my 1000 words and there's a comment there that says it's a fake and clickbait article but still Google promoted their rank.

Mark_A

8:04 am on Oct 10, 2018 (gmt 0)

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Something is happening. High organic traffic all day long. Tourism, usa

Hi renato, is it "normal" traffic, i.e. are normal levels of conversion occurring?

renatovieira

11:31 am on Oct 10, 2018 (gmt 0)

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@Mark_A

Monday the conversion was low, but yesterday was quite high. Today it stays high.

Mark_A

11:46 am on Oct 10, 2018 (gmt 0)

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Actually traffic this last 7 days for Google Organic we are up by 30% on last year which is a very positive sign. Last 30 days was 20% down which had been a worry, it would be great if we have turned a corner.

Still G organic isn't our top traffic source which it was a year and a half ago.

Cralamarre

2:08 pm on Oct 10, 2018 (gmt 0)

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My traffic is up 15% over last year, but it was doing even better than that for most of September. Over the past week or so, I've lost pretty much every gain I made in September. To call it frustrating is an understatement. No matter what you do, one day you're up, and the next you're down. I think Google is bipolar.

Cralamarre

3:14 pm on Oct 10, 2018 (gmt 0)

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My Google traffic is doing okay today, but most of my other traffic sources have dropped significantly. Oddly enough, when comparing today to the same day last year in Google Analytics, the exact same thing happened. There was a sudden drop in traffic that lasted just one day and then recovered the next day.
Is the second Wednesday in October something special that I don't know about? A school holiday maybe?

lostshootingstar

3:31 pm on Oct 10, 2018 (gmt 0)

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@Cralamarre it's interesting following your story. I was rooting for you when you were on your hot streak in September, sucks it hasn't quite continued as strong.

There is a major (cat4!) hurricane about to make landfall in a few hours and continue to pass through a good chunk of the southeast as a Tropical storm.

Cralamarre

3:35 pm on Oct 10, 2018 (gmt 0)

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@lostshootingstar I'm aware of the hurricane, but unless there was also a hurricane on the same day last year, it wouldn't explain the same-day traffic drop that I'm seeing for the second year in a row.

And thanks for following my story. :)

NickMNS

3:27 am on Oct 11, 2018 (gmt 0)

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The bleeding continues. Today has been my worst days in years...

massimodefilippo

4:56 am on Oct 11, 2018 (gmt 0)

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Yes, everything without an explanation!

lostshootingstar

5:37 am on Oct 11, 2018 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, Wednesday the 10th was about the worst Wednesday we've had in 2018, and 2018 has been a bad year as it is.

The worst part is I can't really tell where all my traffic has gone. Rankings have dropped marginally, but not enough to account for a total annihilation of our organic visitors. I can't find any smoking gun in search console or analytics either. Nothing makes sense.

I wish we could find the bottom so we can start crawling our way out of the abyss.

mosxu

6:47 am on Oct 11, 2018 (gmt 0)

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@renatovieira

Do you monitor advertisers in your niche? Anyone dropped out and you are filling the gap even if your traffic is organic ?
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