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[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 7:51 pm (utc) on May 1, 2018]
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rolling out new updates so rapidly that their effects overlap in time, and nobody knows which update someone else is talking about
and if you know anything about G's original benefactors, that would make perfect sense..."creating and preventing strategic surprise."...a la complete confusion. ;)
their prior algorithms could not correctly judge qualityGoogles algo is always their state-of-the-art determination of quality.
As they develop better techniques, more context, and more processing power, of course their determination of quality advances.
[edited by: glakes at 12:26 pm (utc) on May 2, 2018]
I don't know many people who believe this to be, and find it quite entertaining that some actually still doWell, that's the problem with echo chambers and filter bubbles.
In fact, such a statement could have been copied/pasted from one of Google's public statements.Because, if Google says it, it is automatically untrue? What else would they say? We're deliberately making our product worse?
The SERPS paint a much different picture.What, so they did get it right, and now they don't? It seems abundantly clear to me that it has NEVER been right, and each iteration is just a different form of WRONG. In which case, why not keep iterating until they get it right? Of course, my version of getting it right is different from yours, especially if we share a niche.
But does it change so much that a page ranking on page 1 gets booted to page 8, 10, etc.Yes. It was in the top 0.00001% of results, now it is in the top 0.0001% of results. Not a big change.
which means originality makes no difference in Google's assessment of "quality."That's a different argument to the original "Google updates are for reasons other than quality". But sure, I don't understand that either.
In my eyes, any algorithm that restricts choice via excessive domain crowding is also manipulating other aspects of the search results for their own gain.How many other algos do you deal with where excessive domain crowding is a potential issue? If "none" then your "any" is somewhat redundant.
I prefer Bing's search results to Google.Me too. My site also does better in Bing. I wish Bing was as big as Google, I'd be rich. But for some reason, normal people looking for things find themselves happy enough to use Google.
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I find it depressing that a forum made of developers seriously believes a production algorithm is "perfect" and cannot be improved.
Domain crowding seems a prima facie case of being unable to determine quality, so going with a proxy in lieu. It does not seem to be evidence of "manipulating... the search results for their own gain"- especially when their mortal enemy is the main winner.
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While this thread is a great place to vent frustrations and share observations
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As they develop better techniques, more context, and more processing power, of course their determination of quality advances.I don't know many people who believe this to be, and find it quite entertaining that some actually still do.
There's no doubt advancements in judging quality does produce change.
Apparently you did not read/chose to ignore the part where I saidI did, but since you were in the process of mocking me for saying the same thing, I just ignored your cognitive dissonance.
There's no point in discussing this with you anymore as it is clear that you take Google's word as gospel.Oh look, a filter bubble!
it's clear that they [online shoppers] gave up on Google and the other search engines quite a while ago.I guess my 20-person company is just in my imagination. Possible, I suppose, but unlikely.
Googles algo is always their state-of-the-art determination of quality....As they develop better techniques, more context, and more processing power, of course their determination of quality advances.
I'm always skeptical when I come to this thread and see people talking about new updates. If I check my own sites, I almost never see significant traffic changes on any of them.