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Google Experimenting with Specific Answers Without Any Search Results

         

engine

5:51 pm on Mar 14, 2018 (gmt 0)

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Google is showing an answer on a search page for certain queries, but there are no other search results being shown. ie, ten blue links gone. I know, ten blue links are long gone, as such, but you know what i mean.

For example [google.com...]

[searchengineland.com...]

It appears to be for a limited number of search queries, such as the time, calculator, unit converter.

Google's Danny Sullivan says,
For calculator, unit converter & local time, we’re experimenting with a condensed view to further speed up load time. People who search for these tools rarely use full search results, but the results will remain available for those who want them via the "Show all results" button.

[twitter.com...]

thedonald123

11:44 pm on Mar 25, 2018 (gmt 0)

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Every example I've seen includes a link to the source, so that's your attribution and "fair use.",

The question being discussed in this thread is "Google Experimenting with Specific Answers Without Any Search Results" and where this is going in the future. e.g A snippet from my website answers the query of a user on Google's website, so Google.com publishes the answer on their website, without a license to use this content, with or without a link (i.e. attribution) back to my website. Or voice search as it exists now since in most cases (on Google Home) the user can't click a link to visit the website.

Attribution does nothing to prevent copyright violation, it's to prevent plagiarism and it's also used in creative commons licenses which most website owners would never consider using.
Why is Google bothering with attribution in voice search? One obvious reason is so they don't get blamed if the answer is wrong. But, it also a throwing a bone to webmasters whose content they are using without license. But, attribution does nothing in regards to any violation of copyright.

Fair Use [copyright.gov ] is the only time when copyright material may be used legally. Fair use is the legal reason why a website like google.com has always been allowed to publish a website's content without license and publish a small snippet on Google.com.
if the use employs only a small amount of copyrighted material, fair use is more likely.

If in the future, a snippet is published on Google.com and no link is included (the topic of this thread!) it seems to me that fair use stops and copyright violation starts. Because now the use is harming the owner of the content.
Effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work: Here, courts review whether, and to what extent, the unlicensed use harms the existing or future market for the copyright owner’s original work. In assessing this factor, courts consider whether the use is hurting the current market for the original work (for example, by displacing sales of the original) and/or whether the use could cause substantial harm if it were to become widespread.

Even right now, when Google is publishing infinite Related Questions to the point where a entire web page could theoretically be published they are pushing the boundaries of what is legal and that's why they rollbacked this "experiment", it's heading into an area that they would prefer to avoid as long as possible
And in other contexts, using even a small amount of a copyrighted work was determined not to be fair because the selection was an important part—or the “heart”—of the work.

EditorialGuy

3:37 pm on Mar 26, 2018 (gmt 0)

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@thedonald123:

What we're talking about here (direct answers for time, arithmetic problems, unit conversions without search results) isn't subject to copyright. Such direct answers are likely to be generated internally by Google in any case.

Still, if you're genuinely concerned that Google might scrape the time or the answer to an arithmetic problem from your site and display it as a snippet, why not simply use the NOSNIPPET tag?

MrSavage

6:21 pm on Mar 26, 2018 (gmt 0)

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@thedonald, thanks for your insight. Clearly you are more highly educated than most here. I appreciate what you've said. I hope you contribute more. As you may notice, some conversations here are a waste of time. I use an imaginary ignore function. It removes the fluff.

NickMNS

6:43 pm on Mar 26, 2018 (gmt 0)

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a snippet is published on Google.com and no link is included (the topic of this thread!)

No that is not the topic of the thread. The topic of the thread is that Google is now showing a calculator or calculator like response and no search results are provided with it.

The most important point is that there can be no copyright on 2 + 2 = 4, or for the conversion of miles to kilometers or any other similar type of "fact". So while your arguments are certainly not without merit they are not relevant to this topic. Secondly, the issue is not that there is no attribution link it is that there are no links to any sites in the search results, simply an answer to the query.

Furthermore as others have already stated with respect to sports results, an attribution is provided and Google has paid for the rights to use them.

@MrSavage you should reconsider your
imaginary ignore function.

and open yourself up to opinions that do not mirror your own.

MrSavage

10:35 pm on Mar 26, 2018 (gmt 0)

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I will listen to anyone who has clear judgement or is not clouded by self interest or by their related fortunes. It's obvious the Donald has a far greater understanding of law than most people. When people reply about blocking Google, that's why the imaginary ignore function comes in handy. You see it, you ignore it like it doesn't exist. Simple.

Anyone discussing this topic as it relates to a caclulator or 2+2 is being woefully ignorant. It's called greasing the skids. It's all about pushing and pushing the boundaries. Then laws be darned, the cry babies want it because Google provided it. Just like the show image button. Self righteous cry babies wanted back their right to have what Google provided even though IT WAS WRONG. They are going to get the babies used to no links if they can. They will do anything to make it easy for the end user, laws be damned. Always the hero.
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