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Google Updates and SERP Changes - May 2017

         

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8:21 am on May 1, 2017 (gmt 0)

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Last month April 2017 hasn't been a nice month to webmasters as far as Google Algorithm Updates and SERPs fluctuations are concerned. There are several WebmasterWorld friends who have lost big portions of their organic traffic. If you just take a look at RankRanger's Google SERP Fluctuations chart you would notice dates of medium to high levels of fluctuations on April 17th, April 20th, April 25th, April 29th and April 30th. Those are just indications of the "volatile SERPs environment" of April 2017.

I'm just wondering what would the current month brings us of Google Algorithm Updates surprises :)

Personally I wish to see on this thread happy posts reporting recoveries and the return of at least parts of what have been lost of Google organic traffic during the latest few months. Let's hope so :)

traiana

7:59 pm on May 23, 2017 (gmt 0)

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A Penguin update will send your page to 50th position in Google. At the very beginning of Penguin and when the Page Rank still use to be important I had websites with PR 3 which was penalized by Penguin because of the exact mach anchor text with EMD domain. The domain kept the PR and disappeared from first 5 pages of Google.

Cralamarre

8:04 pm on May 23, 2017 (gmt 0)

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@traiana Okay, so since many people here have reported that their search rankings have not dropped (and in fact some have actually gone up), any idea how Penguin could be causing this?

traiana

8:49 pm on May 23, 2017 (gmt 0)

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My thoughts go to a new type of update which will have a new name..soon. And I'm more to believe in long tail update .

pvirravi1116

9:47 am on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)



Yes Google algorithm update in May 2017. Google update their algorithm daily but its minor, sometimes it's happen major changes. Still May 2017 google update their featured snippet tool algorithm..
See here more:https://www.seroundtable.com/google-search-ranking-algorithm-shifts-23895.html

mosxu

11:31 am on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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are these updates over now?

our friends the z guys are back it is true that during zombies do not come in such large numbers, wonder if these creatures need to recharge during updates

Shaddows

11:54 am on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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One possible explanation, personalisation is switched off (or at least reduced in granularity) during updates, and comes back afterwards. Thus, zombies are a result of mismatched traffic due to personalisation- the user intent of the searcher is wrongly ascribed.

Personalisation as a zombie mechanism has other benefits as a theory. For example, it could explain traffic stability as one personalisation cohort gets swapped out for another. And that only some sites see them- ones for which Google is mis-reading the target audience.

All major features of zombies explained, without recourse to the evilness of Google.

mosxu

12:19 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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Unfortunately mist-matched users bounce really fast unless the same users have no control of their own mind and keep wondering about and eventually after they shopped already at amazon.

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12:23 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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So over the past week I have seen some of my keywords rise from 3-4th back to 1st where they were and had been before February 2017

Traffic has increased up 15% per day due to these changes.

Freaky Friday the 26th is coming this week, by Monday it will all be over.

Good luck, lets hope the hard workers get what they deserve and not just the big guns!

Shields Engaged.

Shaddows

1:03 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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keep wondering about
Notes on this.
1) Google cannot control behaviour of humans after they visit your site
2) Google does not control bots other than googlebot
3) Bots can fake referrer strings

When I got zombies, they appeared human, with sensible user agents and javascript switched on. They just did not convert- at all.

Totally mismatched traffic bounces, sure. But semi-matched traffic could wander around.

If you are suggesting that zombies are just price-comparers, fair enough. Except that's hardly a "phenomenon" - it's just what people do. Be cheaper, or offer something that justifies the extra cash (we do the latter). Asking Google to hide the cheapest shop is not going to work, even if that cheapest shop is Amazon.

mosxu

1:31 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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ha ha ha

they shopped already at the cheapest shop amazon and still wonder around?

@shaddows

from what I remember you are in b2b which probably is less to do with zombies and amazon but to claim that your site is zombie free now is great, do you mind me asking what is the conversion rate of new visitors to your site?

glakes

2:28 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)



If you are suggesting that zombies are just price-comparers, fair enough. Except that's hardly a "phenomenon" - it's just what people do. Be cheaper, or offer something that justifies the extra cash (we do the latter).

Or better yet, dump Google and sell on Amazon. The ROI on Amazon is much better than Google without all the headaches associated with Google flexing their dominance in search and tightening the noose around the small biz owner's neck even tighter. Amazon squeezes sellers too, but nowhere near the level Google does.

Asking Google to hide the cheapest shop is not going to work, even if that cheapest shop is Amazon.

Google does not rank products based on price. That's been proven many times over. In fact, Google will rank a loosely related Amazon category page that does not contain the product over an actual highly relevant product someone searches for if that product appears on an independent website. That's part of what drove me to Amazon, plus more of the buying traffic is searching through Amazon these days and not on Google. Half the buying traffic goes to Amazon from the start, with the other half spread across social and the other search engines. When a portion of this other half searches on Google, they are met with Amazon domain crowding almost always at the top of the organic results. We get what's left to our sites - sloppy seconds known as zombies.

Google cannot control behaviour of humans after they visit your site

True to some degree. The display of SSL warnings in search and/or Chrome can impact user behavior, though this should not be an issue because most of the smaller ecommerce sites starving for buyer traffic from Google's serps are full SSL (my site included). Regardless, Google can and does largely control who they send to your site and the way product serps heavily favor Amazon with domain crowding is one tactic Google uses to influence where shoppers go.

I see only one objective way for Google to begin to improve the serps for product queries, and that's by getting rid of Amazon crowding. Google does not have enough buyer traffic these days to spread around, and the Amazon crowding is consuming too much real estate and as a result the majority of buyer traffic. Beyond that, Google can do a much better job in ranking products not just on price, but the support offered for products, warranties, etc. For example, what we sell on Amazon has the standard Amazon 30 day guarantee and support through Amazon's messaging system. On our website, we warranty the product for a year and a customer can pick up the phone and call us. There's much more to the value of a product than its original sale price.

Here's how Google gets it wrong on price... What I sell on Amazon are individual pieces, and most people need two or more. Imagine car tires for example. When you need new tires for your car do you buy one or four? What happens is people buy multiples on Amazon whereas they could have purchase the same quantity on my website for far less with faster and cheaper shipping. However, the individual piece prices are the same on my website as they are on Amazon. If Google were to favor low prices in the serps, then Google should be smart enough to know a typical car has four tires. Regardless, this is how I offset the cost of Amazon's 15% per sale commission. When combined with a very short warranty, no phone support and more expensive shipping, I'm fine selling on Amazon and apparently Google is fine sending their users there to pay more and get less for the same product as well.

Shaddows

2:46 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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2.5% within a day, 3.5% within a month

I'm confused by what you think zombies are (as opposed to what causes them, which is what I'm generally interested in).

Essentially, they can only be humans or bots. If they are human, they must have a psychological explanation for their behaviour, so what is it? Mine acted exactly like humans, clicking normal links, usually 2-3, then disappearing. They did not follow a "random surfer" mindless click pattern, as your previous comment suggested:
unless the same users have no control of their own mind and keep wondering about and eventually after they shopped already at amazon
emphasis mine

I'll be honest, I had trouble deciphering that sentence. I eventually guessed you meant price-checking before eventually buying on amazon, which was met with laughter. Hence my confusion as to what you thing they are.

mosxu

2:48 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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I personally do not shop around anymore after I bought what I needed.

We do not have a problem with amazon they do not sell our product nor they will be able to compete. I do not understand how personalization works. Why personalize the buyers first to amazon? Personalization should be about bringing great user experience and not to do with buyer intent.

Shaddows

2:54 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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Or better yet, dump Google and sell on Amazon

We sell widely available items. You can get a whole solution from us, which differentiates us from other retailers- but you can also get the whole solution from amazon.

Anyway, we have noticed that when our competitors sell on Amazon, as soon as Amazon notice the product is popular, they go direct to the manufacturer (vendor).

We are in a very competitive niche, so Amazon grabs the good vendors as soon as they notice them. In lower-volume niches, you may not find this problem, and still less if you actually make stuff yourself.

Shaddows

2:57 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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I personally do not shop around anymore after I bought what I needed.
Me either. I shop around first. Then I only covert with one site- quite frequently, as a consumer, that is amazon.

All the other sites might view me as a Zombie.

mosxu

3:16 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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the confusion is that most of the buyers start at amazon and will convert right there and then, be honest you will not waste time comparing prices on other sites 9 out of 10 as I do

Shaddows

3:25 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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Sure, I don't do one search and click on all 10 results. I do multiple searches, pick the well known brand names and whatever catches my eye on each search. Maybe 2-3 per SERP.

Then I make a decision based on any number of factors.

Say I was looking for a microwave. I might start out knowing nothing, apart from maybe a budget. I would start with "buy microwave" and see what that gave. Some sites might be innovative enough to list features. I could then google "Microwave 850W Timer" and look from there.

Without labouring the point, that is a lot of comparisons going on. Once I have decided on my brand and model number, I google that and see what is cheapest. At this point, I will probably visit Amazon for the first time, along with other sites I found useful during my searches. Best price probably wins, but I will pay a small amount more if I found a site particularly helpful.

I suppose we're a bit off topic here, however.

mosxu

3:34 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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sorry off topic,

you did not start at amazon like 50% of the buyers if I may add

ionguy

4:23 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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from my point of view each update looks like google looose control over all what is happening;
each time they r running any update i see wild ride in my analytics; conversions going 100% up when traffic remains almost the same (1-3% more or less)
last 6 days - conversions up and down; mostly up; traffic almost unchanged; target keyword unchanged so, guess its something to do with longtail
if google update is the only period of time to do business it can happen every day for me
another point is some quota; i told u about it some time ago;
even blind would see manipulations
10 years old domain; b2b/b2c production/development

reseller

4:48 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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So what happened on May 17 - May 18 could either be a Panda Refresh or a Penguin Refresh. I belong to Panda Refresh believers :)

Cralamarre

4:57 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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I think it was Penguin. Panda is a "too many ads" penalty, Penguin is a "bad links" penalty. I don't have too many ads, but I did apparently have some bad links which have been corrected.

The comments on SEO Roundtable also indicate it was Penguin. Actually, the comments indicate that the BIG Penguin update hits this Friday. What we've seen so far is just a sample.

mosxu

5:21 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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@ionguy

very similar situation, if a quota is imposed imagine what a competitor can do to you

MrBlack

5:24 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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The comments on SEO Roundtable also indicate it was Penguin. Actually, the comments indicate that the BIG Penguin update hits this Friday. What we've seen so far is just a sample.


The geezer who was posted that knows nothing more than you or I.

glakes

5:37 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)



Anyway, we have noticed that when our competitors sell on Amazon, as soon as Amazon notice the product is popular, they go direct to the manufacturer (vendor).

This is true, and I definitely am not arguing the fact that ranking in Google is only one problem smaller ecommerce sites are dealing with. From a retailer's perspective, if Google is not burying them under 2 or 3 Amazon pages in the serps then Amazon is buying huge quantities from manufacturers in bulk and undercutting those smaller retailers selling directly on Amazon. The smaller retailer is getting the big squeeze from both sides, and many will close up shop because of it. The unique relationship between Amazon and Google has all the traits of an oligopoly on the surface, though that is a discussion for another thread.

I think it was Penguin.

Penguin is supposed to be real time. Unless there was a complete re-write of that portion of the algorithm, which is now being applied to the whole index, I'm skeptical that the present flux has much to do with penguin. However, I did read the post on Barry's site and the poster Bill Lambert was accurate one other time in the past that I can remember. But who knows, it appears someone is already spoofing his screen name and whether or not he had a lucky guess in the past or actually works for Google is something we will probably have a better idea of in a couple days. Trust me, I hope he is the real deal. It would be nice to have an insider telling it like it is instead of people like John Mueller who beat around the bush or say they will get back to you and never do.

Cralamarre

5:51 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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@glakes Yes, from what I've read about Penguin 4, it now runs in real time, which is why I'm watching my traffic to see if it improves now that I caught and corrected some unfortunately spammy links on some of my pages. if it was Penguin that hit me, and it was the link issue that caused it, and Penguin is running in real time, I should see an improvement once Google re-crawls the pages. If I do, I'll be sure to post it here.

glakes

6:18 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)



@Cralamarre

My traffic yesterday took a slight dip, but today it looks like it is coming back. I don't have any spam links outside of the few auto generated domain whois links that most sites have. As a manufacturer I sell directly to consumers, businesses, wholesalers and the government. I attribute the flux in traffic to whatever Google is rolling out and expect things to return to normal once they are done. On that note, I would not panic if I were you. It's quite common to see traffic and conversions jump around during these prolonged updates and only when the rollout is complete can one accurately assess any potential damage (if at all) and any fixes needed.

Atomic

7:46 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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On that note, I would not panic if I were you. It's quite common to see traffic and conversions jump around during these prolonged updates and only when the rollout is complete can one accurately assess any potential damage (if at all) and any fixes needed.

I second that. Making changes to sites too soon after (or during) an update was one of the worst mistakes I ever made. I ended up "fixing" things that weren't broken.

Cralamarre

8:00 pm on May 24, 2017 (gmt 0)

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Well, spammy links should be fixed regardless. I'm not redesigning my site, just checking for code errors and correcting them.

chaplinashley

7:52 am on May 25, 2017 (gmt 0)

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Huge drops here in the UK overnight for a lot of my clients across all different niches. Absolutely no idea what it could be. All my sites follow webmaster guidelines. This is a serious update!

reseller

8:01 am on May 25, 2017 (gmt 0)

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It seems the Algorithm Update of May 17 - May 18 is still in progress. Will this nightmare ever end? :(
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