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Keywords Ranking Fluctuations In New York Based IP address

         

mara89

5:15 am on Nov 14, 2016 (gmt 0)

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Many keywords are normal Position ( Same position last 4+ Weeks) in Global google SERPS, but Its seems to be fluctuations in New York based IP locations address.

Example : Keyword1 in 4 position (Global & Other cities expect new york)

Keyword1 in 11 position in New York based SERPS [prntscr.com ]


Can anyone help in that issue.

goodroi

1:51 pm on Nov 15, 2016 (gmt 0)

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Google likes to personalize search results. There is not much you can do other than keep building the quality signals for your website.

martinibuster

5:12 pm on Nov 15, 2016 (gmt 0)

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Is Google showing local results to the NYC IP? Or is Google showing regular SERPs that feature different sites?

How many of the sites in the NYC SERPs NYC based?

It might help us answer your question if you can give us a little more background via my questions above.

Best,

Roger

mara89

3:24 am on Nov 16, 2016 (gmt 0)

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Its Shows Different set of SERP Results while search on NYC IP based search. while search on same keyword on general or global IP its show different set of Results.

I'm using <a rank tracking tool> its shows only Global SERP position only.

NYC based SERP its Affect traffic of my site. thats why i want know that details of that .

[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 5:01 am (utc) on Nov 16, 2016]
[edit reason] Exemplified SEO tool name, not allowed per forum Charter [/edit]

martinibuster

3:34 pm on Nov 16, 2016 (gmt 0)

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Is there a New York component to the search phrase? Is this search phrase related to and otherwise relevant to NYC?

mara89

3:56 am on Nov 17, 2016 (gmt 0)

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No, Its a Professional Service based keyword (translating related) , that search phrase doesn't contain NYC related terms.

dipper

4:08 am on Nov 17, 2016 (gmt 0)

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One thing I notice with my particular rank tracking software (AWRCloud) is that they rank websites on the mobile SERP's VS SEMRush that seems to rank based on desktop SERP's (technically it could be that the user-agent they use in their crawling/checker, or it could be the data-centre's that they check).

Anyway, my point is that it might be worthwhile checking the ranking on both mobile (using private browsing mode) and also desktop (private browsing also).

Robert Charlton

11:20 am on Nov 17, 2016 (gmt 0)

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It's been observed and well-known among SEOs since about 2011 that Google results are hyperlocalized... extremely sensitive to searcher location. IP address is the main factor that's been used for desktop. Mobile devices can be much more precisely located.

Regarding the screen shot posted by the OP, here are the choices that the menu at the bottom of the serps page displays....

CityName, ST - From your Internet address - Use precise location - Learn more
Clicking "Learn more" should take you to this Google help page which advises how changing your location settings might help get more precise results...

Update your location on Google
[support.google.com...]

Location is the one personalization option that you can't really turn off in Google. Very recent searches within a session are another personalization factor that's hard to clear.

Google used to have a location option among the "Search tools" on the serps page, which let you see general city results for another place, but Google discontinued it, they said, because it wasn't used very often. I suspect the feature was also creating difficulties for how Google delivered IP-based results in a given city, where the type of search was an additional factor. Most likely these results were scraped a lot as well. Now you have to use a proxy, which is what I'm assuming mara used.

Worth noting that many search tool providers have dropped ranking tools from their suites because they found it too difficult to deliver localized results which also matched Google's degree of personalization. It's become literally impossible for a tool to track them all.

(Again, let's not get into specific search tools.)

With regard to comparing differences in ranking for a specific term in different cities and towns, here's my interpretation of the question...

Search phrases need not contain the placename for the search to be treated as local and to be affected by location.

Also, different types of queries get different treatments by Google. What generally matters is the type of query and the appropriateness of geo-localization in the search results. Searches for retail outlets, eg, are probably more affected by proximity to the searcher. Some results are handled best by a map interface... with some (like professional services) sorted more by organic reputation factors and less by proximity to searcher, with an assumption made in that type of query that reputation transcends immediate location.

For many searches in larger cities and communities, directories like Yelp are also competitive in the serps.

As to why a site might rank lower in New York on mara's query for a "Professional Service based keyword (translating related)" (and let's not get any more specific than that)... the most obvious explanation is that New York City is probably one of the largest cities in the world where professionals might offer such a service, so it's very likely that there are many more such services in NYC, and NY rankings are therefore much more competitive. The reported result is not unexpected.

Much could be said also about how different types of browser search modes and personalization settings might affect such results.

mara89

11:55 am on Nov 17, 2016 (gmt 0)

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Thank you "Robert Charlton" for your great Explanation and clarification

martinibuster

2:36 pm on Nov 17, 2016 (gmt 0)

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You might wish to check the NYC ranked sites to see if they contain information linking them to NYC specifically. If so, then if your service is in or near NYC then you may wish to update your site to add location data to the top or bottom of the page, as well as obtain a citation from a local type site like Yelp or Angie's List. A citation/link that ties you to NYC should be helpful.

The reason I asked about differences between the NYC SERPs and the non-NYC SERPs is that by making your site rank in NYC you might inadvertently drop out of the non-NYC SERPs.

Thus, if the NYC and non-NYC SERPs contain at least some of the same sites at the top of the page then you may be safe in correcting your site so that it properly shows up in the NYC SERPs.

Robert Charlton

10:23 pm on Nov 17, 2016 (gmt 0)

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To take martinibuster's thoughts a bit further... to really be able to answer your question properly, we would need to know some information that you haven't provided... whether, eg...
a) you're asking about a site with a business that's based in NYC...
b) or whether you are simply wondering why your general query for the professional service isn't ranking as well in New York as it ranks generally.

I assumed the latter situation (b). In the absence of an explicit placename in the query, Google, as I described, will use IP location and search history, etc, to determine search intent.

Note that for many types of services and products, Google will favor service providers with an actual local presence if the searchers' needs are better met by that local presence. I'm guessing that the particular professional service you're describing may have some competition in NY, but that the number of sites targeting that service are limited enough that you showed up at #11.

As martinibuster wisely points out, there can be tradeoffs for a site's rankings when you target for an explicit placename on the site... and it's something I wouldn't do unless the business actually was in NY.

martinibuster

11:14 pm on Nov 17, 2016 (gmt 0)

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Yes, agreed. As I posted above:

if your service is in or near NYC...

mara89

4:46 am on Nov 28, 2016 (gmt 0)

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< moved from another location >

Original description line...
Is this worth Keywords + <Pincode> Its make a sense on User's Perspective?

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orginal message...

Hi, Any one hello on that Keywords + <Pincode> Example: Professional Services 10010.

we can focus these kind of Queries. Google will Parse these kind keywords.?


[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 9:13 am (utc) on Nov 28, 2016]

Robert Charlton

9:55 am on Nov 28, 2016 (gmt 0)

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mara, there are so many connections between your new post and your original questions about "keywords ranking in New York based IP address" that it made sense simply to splice the new post onto this thread.

You haven't, btw, gotten back to this thread and answered the follow-up questions that martinibuster and I raised about whether you're asking about the rankings of any site in general in the New York serps, or whether you're asking about a site in NYC that you'd like to rank better for New York queries, so I'm filling in my assumptions. I think that your posted example suggests the latter... that you're wanting to target a site in New York to rank for specific local searches.

Keywords + <Pincode> Example: Professional Services 10010
We don't use the word Pincode in the US, or at least I'd never heard it applied to geo-search. In the US, which is where New York is, it's called a "ZIP Code" or "zipcode". The term "postcode" is used in the UK.

The 10010 zipcode you mention is in New York City (and I happen to recognize it because I lived in that part of the city for a while, but I never once used the zip code to describe it.).

In terms of search, I myself feel that it's bad practice to target organic searches only by ZIP code. Most users tend to use the metro name or sometimes the neighborhood name (say if you were searching from within a metro area). For 10010, I suspect that most looking for something within that area would have described it simply as Gramercy Park. A lot, though, depends on what the search is for.

A search for an attorney, eg, might be city wide, though someone living in Brooklyn might, say, want to distinguish between a Manhattan attorney and a Brooklyn attorney, depending upon the type and level of legal services they're looking for.

Food or shopping searches, on the other hand, are often much more local... and if the searcher is on mobile, the context may suggest that they're searching for something nearby.

To answer your key question... in general, not many local searches for the purposes of discovery are done by zip code, and for that and other reasons I wouldn't specifically target the ZIP code.

Reasons... there are often multiple zip codes within a city or even within neighborhoods in a large city, and the zipcode areas don't necessarily correspond the user-identified landmarks, streets, or neighborhoods. So, even though Google can now figure out by a zip code roughly where you're talking about, a zip code target by itself on the site might be too narrow... and most people really don't remember most places by zip-code number. Searchers might, though, take an address line from a website or a Google local business listing that includes a city plus zip, and paste the entire address into a map search.

On the site itself, I'd say that you should definitely use both the cityname and the zipcode, but I'd almost never use the zipcode in the page title.

For some types of businesses, you might also want to target the neighborhood. Yelp and Google can both provide most commonly searched neighborhood names. When you search, Yelp, say for [yelp restaurants new york] you'll get Google autocomplete suggestions almost immediately localizing results to Manhattan, to Midtown Manhattan, Upper East (or West) Side, etc. Hotels target neighborhoods in a city for reasons relating either to tourist, shopping, or convention locations, and come close to having their own naming conventions.

Note that we also have a forum dedicated to local search and the local map algorithm, which to some degree differs from plain vanilla organic... You'd find that here... "Local Search" [webmasterworld.com...]