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Google Authorship Support Dropped

         

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8:31 am on Aug 29, 2014 (gmt 0)

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Google's John Mueller has announced that authorship in the SERPs is now ended. It seems as if it was one long experiment.

Unfortunately, we've also observed that this information isn’t as useful to our users as we’d hoped, and can even distract from those results. With this in mind, we've made the difficult decision to stop showing authorship in search results. Google Authorship Support Dropped [plus.google.com]
Going forward, we're strongly committed to continuing and expanding our support of structured markup (such as schema.org). This markup helps all search engines better understand the content and context of pages on the web, and we'll continue to use it to show rich snippets in search results.

It’s also worth mentioning that Search users will still see Google+ posts from friends and pages when they’re relevant to the query — both in the main results, and on the right-hand side. Today’s authorship change doesn’t impact these social features.

EditorialGuy

5:20 pm on Aug 30, 2014 (gmt 0)

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Seems that mandatory aspect is what those characters in Google wanted.


If Google had wanted authorship to be "mandatory," authorship would have been a ranking factor--and a heavyweight ranking factor, at that.

aristotle

7:08 pm on Aug 30, 2014 (gmt 0)

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If Google had wanted authorship to be "mandatory," authorship would have been a ranking factor--and a heavyweight ranking factor, at that.

That's laughable. Google will never be able to make anything mandatory, or even come close. They couldn't even achieve the limited goals that they had for this author tag. In fact it was another big defeat for them, and another victory for the rest of the web.

EditorialGuy

7:41 pm on Aug 30, 2014 (gmt 0)

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That's laughable. Google will never be able to make anything mandatory, or even come close.


You're responding to the wrong post. I wasn't the person who said Google wanted to make authorship markup "mandatory," and I agree that the assertion is laughable.

In fact it was another big defeat for them, and another victory for the rest of the web.


It might have been a "big defeat" it it had been a product, but it wasn't a product: It was an experiment (a.k.a. a "project"), and by the time the experiment was killed, Google had moved on to another approach. See AJ Kohn's "Authorship is Dead, Long Live Authorship" article from October, 2013:

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jmccormac

7:56 pm on Aug 30, 2014 (gmt 0)

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That's laughable. Google will never be able to make anything mandatory, or even come close. They couldn't even achieve the limited goals that they had for this author tag. In fact it was another big defeat for them, and another victory for the rest of the web.
And the even funnier thing is that there will always be people ready to make excuses for Google's failures.

Regards...jmcc

EditorialGuy

9:28 pm on Aug 30, 2014 (gmt 0)

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And the even funnier thing is that there will always be people ready to make excuses for Google's failures.


There's a difference between a failed experiment and a "big defeat" (aristotle's phrase). And experiments are just experiments: Some work, some don't. The important thing is to learn from them. For example, I suspect that Google has learned:

- Just because an idea sounds good (or is good) doesn't mean that everyone will participate. Authorship markup wasn't "scalable," to use a popular Google word--unlike "entity extraction," which doesn't require involvement from site owners, employees, or SEOs.

- Author photos and bylines don't add value to SERPs unless sesrchers recognize the photos and names. (The average searcher may recognize Jay Leno or Kim Kardashian, but Colin Jones or Julio Palmaz? Not likely.)

- Anything that can be abused will be. (Google Authorship was never intended to provide real-estate agents with online bus benches, for example, but that didn't keep agents from trying.)

Addendum:

Google Authorship had two aspects: public (identifying authors for searchers with photos and bylines) and private (gathering data for "Author Rank" down the road). The public aspect is gone, but the private aspect is likely to be very much alive, although the latter won't be relying on authorship markup. One would have to be extremely naive to think that Google has abandoned its desire to use subject expertise and credibility as ranking factors.

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12:00 am on Aug 31, 2014 (gmt 0)

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There's a difference between a failed experiment and a "big defeat" (aristotle's phrase). And experiments are just experiments: Some work, some don't. The important thing is to learn from them.
The funny thing about the Search business is that people outside of the search engine side of things don't have much of a clue about what is going on. It is a black box to them. Throw in a few vaguely technical terms and anything will be believed.

Google's market share is significant (80% or so) and a "failed experiment" is a big defeat. However presenting it as an "experiment" has all the connotations of people who have a clue about what they are doing. It provides a great snakeoil opportunity for some less than ethical SEO people because they can sell the latest tweak to their unsuspecting clients.

The following is best read in the manner of the opening act of the "Glengarry, Glen Ross" movie.

All that rubbish about experimentation and failing often is just fluff for gullible churnalists with a Liberal Arts background who haven't a clue about product development, Science or Engineering. When you are developing a product, failure is the last thing you want. Every developer wants their product to be a success. But claiming to have learned from failures is a great thing for the non-technical technology journalists who never met a press release they didn't like. Hell, it even makes them feel that they are part of the business and privy to some great secret from a visionary. It makes them think it is ok to fail. It is not. Package the failures as "experiments" and you can fool the gullible technology churnalists and their readers. After all, it is not like they really know what is going on in the Search business.

Regards...jmcc

EditorialGuy

1:42 am on Aug 31, 2014 (gmt 0)

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Well, jmcc, let's see how much Google's market share plunges as a result of this "big defeat." I predict that it won't even be a blip, but the numbers will show who's right.

aristotle

11:58 am on Aug 31, 2014 (gmt 0)

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Certainly this was a defeat for Google, but I like to think of it mainly as a victory for the rest of the web. Google's scheme failed because most of the real experts and authorities, and most of the important websites, refused to take part in it.

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12:36 pm on Aug 31, 2014 (gmt 0)

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I think its a safe bet google plus is about be shut down!

I will be removing all +1 g+ buttons from my sites from now, they don't achieve anything and are in fact counterproductive to seo as they slow down the page load time, G had always refused to minimise the external javascript, this is the final nail for me!

I will only support the Facebook/twitter/Pinterest buttons from now on!

tictoc

9:44 pm on Sep 3, 2014 (gmt 0)

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It was a trap to catch SEO's. No one else used it lol

robhuw

1:39 pm on Sep 4, 2014 (gmt 0)

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The intended use of Google Authorship was authors to influence page ranking based on the reputation (and street cred) of its authors by using digital signatures through some nifty coding. Therefore trusted authors would receive a higher score in search results as a reward for their content creating efforts than someone who hadn’t yet earned their colours.
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IanKelley

1:34 am on Sep 5, 2014 (gmt 0)

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I'm not sad to see it go, I mostly ignored it anyway. As mentioned, anything that can be abused will be, including everything found on schema.org. We should be aware of it of course, but schema tag signal strength will be drowned out by the noise just like everything that came before it.

When you are developing a product, failure is the last thing you want.


In the 1950's maybe. Internet companies, and Google is the poster child for this, have done amazing things by rapidly developing and releasing products and worrying about whether they'll be successful later. It's a fundamental benefit of digital technology. Companies that spend too much time realizing an idea... are Microsoft. Always 10 steps behind.

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1:53 am on Sep 5, 2014 (gmt 0)

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In the 1950's maybe. Internet companies, and Google is the poster child for this, have done amazing things by rapidly developing and releasing products and worrying about whether they'll be successful later.
The dislike of failure is very much the Tesla mindset in operation. The Tesla mindset develops and builds a fully functional product. The "fail early, fail often" mindset is an inelegant process of throwing stuff at a wall to see if it will stick. However it is complicated by the market. The "fail early, fail often" company may appear to be doing better because it is "producing" so many products. While its failure rate is high, it has the odd success and people focus on that. The problem with Google is that it has become, like Microsoft, a derivative company. It is trying to copy the success of others, (Buzz/Google+ etc), and in many cases it fails. However in a few cases, it succeeds and generally drives most of the other players out of that market. In this too, Google resembles Microsoft.

Regards...jmcc

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2:19 am on Sep 5, 2014 (gmt 0)

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I don't know, the internet business trend of developing while live, essentially crowdsourcing aspects of the process, is pretty damn effective. Not to mention a (IMO) really interesting paradigm shift. The only way it works is if you're willing to release a lot of things that will get redone or scrapped.

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2:59 am on Sep 5, 2014 (gmt 0)

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Google and MS have often done quite well out of buying in products: Youtube, Hotmail, Powerpoint, MS-DOS etc. I am not sure how much that is offset by acquisitions that went bad. I know that in the world at large acquisitions usually do not work.

They also both have done well out of copying the success of others. Windows, MS Word and Excel, Android.....

I am not really interested in the semantics of whether this was a "defeat" or not. It did not work, but its failure does not have that much impact of Google. To me the interesting thing is whether should change how we think about semantic markup.

n0tSEO

8:04 am on Sep 5, 2014 (gmt 0)

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I'm actually glad authorship was dropped.

As a writer, it made me feel uncomfortable that my articles had to be "verified" by Google (because some clients wanted me to have a G+ profile for authorship at all costs). Now I can get rid of all that stuff.

Honestly, I'd love to see a new kind of authorship that does not depend on a central authority, but on a chain of trust (name, email, public key, verification key).

Saffron

8:15 am on Sep 5, 2014 (gmt 0)

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I hated the authority thing too, I still did it.

I'm not an SEO or spammer, contrary to what some may think on this forum. I've worked my tail off for 12 years writing content. I did it because I thought we had to, I'd already been slammed in the rankings and was desperate to do anything to help my site.

But, I was always uncomfortable with it. I thought it made the results look a bit spammy and I do think searchers judge people on their appearance. I'm not saying this is 'right', but I think many of us have an impression of the type of person who would be writing an article. A fat, hairy man writing about women's beauty? Sorry, I wouldn't click. Judgey as that may be. So I did it, but always felt it could also hinder me. When I read it was dropped I was very, very happy.

jrs79

12:17 pm on Sep 5, 2014 (gmt 0)

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My CTR was definitely higher for pages when they had a photo then without a photo, but I am not too upset that it is gone. The biggest takeaway for me is not to buy-in on anything Google is selling. Just another strike against their credibility and their inability to sustain a feature/product/platform.

This was not presented as a "test" as far as I can recall. It does highlight the fact that Google thinks of all us as lab rats.

EditorialGuy

4:01 pm on Sep 5, 2014 (gmt 0)

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This was not presented as a "test" as far as I can recall.


Google Authorship was a "project" within Google at the time that it was released.

In any case, I'm glad that it's gone, too, because it didn't add anything useful to the UI (see Saffron's comment), it wasn't scalable, and it invited abuse.

I hated the authority thing too, I still did it.


Authorship markup may have gone away, and author photos and bylines have disappeared from the SERPs, but that doesn't mean the "authority thing" is dead, any more than the demise of the PageRank "fuel gauge" as a meaningful tool means that PageRank is dead.

Saffron

7:14 pm on Sep 5, 2014 (gmt 0)

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Sorry, I just meant the pic :)

adamxcl

9:43 pm on Sep 5, 2014 (gmt 0)

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Glad I didn't spend much time on it. As soon as I saw it was going to be abused, I knew it was a open window for a limited time. Either spend time on it right away and it lasts a little while or forget it.

I think focusing on other real forms of marketing is better.

JesterMagic

12:45 am on Sep 6, 2014 (gmt 0)

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Authorship markup may have gone away, and author photos and bylines have disappeared from the SERPs, but that doesn't mean the "authority thing" is dead, any more than the demise of the PageRank "fuel gauge" as a meaningful tool means that PageRank is dead.


Reading the comments of the linked post John Mueller states a few interesting things. Here are a few direct quotes:

Barry Schwartz
+John Mueller will Google still be using authorship schema behind the scenes? are you still processing the data? should we not remove our authorship code? Does this include publisher markup?

John Mueller
+Barry Schwartz no, we're no longer using it for authorship, we treat it like any other markup on your pages. Leaving it is fine, it won't cause problems (and perhaps your users appreciate being able to find out more about you through your profile too).

John Mueller
+Dan Shure we're no longer processing this data -- it's not just a UI change.

David Portney
For sake of clarity - Does this include publisher markup?

John Mueller
+David Portney No, publisher markup is not affected by this.


John Mueller
+Zennie Abraham authorship was not used for ranking (apart from being used in the "in-depth articles" feature)...

EditorialGuy

1:20 am on Sep 6, 2014 (gmt 0)

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Yep, like I said, authorship markup has gone away. But let's not forget what Matt Cutts has said recently about identifying and rewarding subject authority (which, at its core, was what the Google Authorship project was trying to achieve).

Different mechanism, similar goal.
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