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To me the nofollow attribute has been a failure. Google needs to tackle this from a different approach and they need to start tracking social networking cues better since now days that is where users are heading when they have an opinion on something.
they're so so so so so far away from being a great search engine - which they were destined to become if you judged them in the mid 2000s
[edited by: tedster at 2:38 am (utc) on May 26, 2013]
For years Google has been testing various adjustments and manipulations to the algorithm looking for ways to boost the rankings of big brands (and other big well-known organizations). In the end, they found that the only way to get big brands and organizations to the top is to significantly reduce the relative weights of certain previously-important ranking factors, especially relevance, usefulness, and intrinsic quality. They had to make a choice in this regard, and they chose big brands and big organizations.
they're so so so so so far away from being a great search engine - which they were destined to become if you judged them in the mid 2000s
There's a contradiction here. Google's algorithm was almost exclusively based on links from the very beginning. By the mid 2000s, they had begun adding in other factors... because links were being gamed so well.
With that intense momentum building, it's only a matter of time before someone dreams up an alternative distribution platform, or media forum for business' that causes them to place their offerings in an alternative forum to Google search, to meet that need. All it needs is an incentive and a solution to cause things to shift.
They could have concentrated all of their efforts into search instead of all the side projects they would eventually kill off.
15 years into search, and their reliance on links is still fundamental
@ColourOfSpring there are around 4.8 million small to medium size businesses in the UK emplying 23.9 million people, and account for 99.9% of the private sector ( ref: [fsb.org.uk...] ). In many many cases, customers get a better service / product from a small to medium size business. They have less overheads, are often quicker to respond, experts in their field etc. Many jobs and services simply REQUIRE that a business be small/medium size because it's less effective / not practical if you scale up. In any case, there's an awful lot of supply out there that people want to find.
they reacted to late with Google Plus for them to ever catch up IMO.
My opinion, too. The CEO's folly!
@altrus This is what it's all about - links. Big brands are pushing down small businesses because big brands = big money = lots of links.
I simply cannot subscribe to any other theory of ranking, since my observations show only links to be the main ranking factor.
Look, let's face it, this is reliance on old technology. Links are bulldust, nobody does this in 2013 as a solid measurement of popularity. They are gamed, the masses don't participate, they are not an across the spectrum measurement of true popularity. It takes too much effort. The truth goes something like this:
-There is an offer and an exceptional experience
-People observe
-People talk
-Votes count
Every person on the digital planet now carries a smart phone. The moment they see an opportunity or an experience they can refer that. And they do. Putting hyperlinks onto a web page as a referral is with the dinosaurs - it's ancient.
When you get real people voting, and you can capture that influence on technology, you can get real popularity. And business' want access to real people and will fight hard to win attention.
If you honestly believe linking is dead just because it's old - you couldn't be more wrong.
Small/medium business is too big to be excluded and mixed in with general SERP's. Someone will discover the path to meet this need and the market will respond in spades when it happens.
Bing / Yahoo! pretty much deliver these results right now
[edited by: Whitey at 9:01 am (utc) on May 27, 2013]
The average search user is not sophisticated. They like seeing these big brands dominate the SERPs.
[edited by: tedster at 1:04 pm (utc) on May 27, 2013]
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Well that may suit a lot of webmasters, but Bing and Yahoo isn't a strong alternative to Google. To do that someone has to come up with something radical and compelling. It will happen some day.
@Tedster I don't think that's true. Out of the four "civilians" I complained to this week about big brands, three of them volunteered the same site, TripAdvisor, asking why they dominated all travel searches.
The average search user is not sophisticated. They like seeing these big brands dominate the SERPs.
Look at it this way: if the bad guys penetrate a mega-corporation and steal customers' passwords, that's a bad thing but it's not really Google's problem. If a user clicks on a search result and gets to a page that infects them with drive-by malware, that's very much Google's problem as it affects the integrity of their ranking system. And who is more likely to get their site hacked in that particular way? TripAdvisor? Amazon? Don't think so. That would be the smaller webmaster whose defenses (such as they are) are easily overwhelmed by hackers.
When you're a de facto monopoly, you are always monitoring government attitudes to estimate what behavior might trigger a lawsuit. The government does not need to tell them what to do; it only needs to indicate what it's thinking is in the best interest of consumers.
Various consumers had written their Congressional representatives to complain about getting ripped off by companies that came up #1 in Google, and Congress' take on that was pretty much, "Yeah, Google, why did you let Bob's Small & Local Tree Grooming Service in Topeka rip this poor lady off?" If I were Google, I'd be pretty concerned about getting "regulated" by people who don't even grasp what it is an algorithm does - or why it can't tell from website code that Bob is a ripoff artist. They have various options for how to deal with that possibility, but I can totally see brand dominance as a response to it. "But Congress, we made sure Bob and people like him wouldn't be at the top anymore."
I'm assuming that big-brand dominance is not an accident but actually the point of Panda/Penguin. I don't believe it gives a better user experience and I don't believe it's a conspiracy to get small business owners to buy into AdWords. My point is that big brands are better for Google. Not only are they less likely to host malware but their sites are probably not going to be hacked by spammers placing thousands of junk links that screw up the search results (as happened to me).
And, Google won't face the embarrassment of ranking a crooked business highly. Remember that guy a few years ago that was selling crappy designer sunglasses out of Brooklyn but who was killing it in the SERPs because so many dissatisfied customers were linking to his website? Thanks, fella. Google sure fixed him and fixed the rest of us as well.
And, Google won't face the embarrassment of ranking a crooked business highly.
Does that even matter to John Q. Public, though? In 12 years, I've never heard a client, an associate, a family member nor friend complain about Google ranking a business well despite that business offering them a bad experience.
I would imagine that there are several billion fewer pages to monitor for AdWords.