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then possibly someone is routing something through you, or there's a broken URL somewhere that's pointing to you. I suggest you contact cj.com and ask them. That's a completely different issue than this one.
Is there any truth to the suggestion that google would frown upon traffic comming from cj.com?
Could this be used by a competitor to 'hurt' your standings with google?
...it's always possible that something was noticed incorrectly on our side, and you're welcome to submit a reconsideration request with that feedback (from what I've seen, those situations are very, very rare though). Also, when talking to publishers and SEOs, I sometimes hear of situations where one side wasn't fully aware of what other people on the team were doing with a website -- I'm sure that's not commonly the case, but it can happen (and has surprised us internally as well, as you can imagine). Either way, I'd recommend still taking a look at the links and seeing if there isn't something that can be resolved -- just like you would with other issues surrounding a website.
Very, very rare and I'm sure... are strong indications that competitors cannot do damage to your website results... the same way you can.
So THATS how to take down Amazon/Wikipedia/[Your boogie here].
Didn't realise that I was wasting thousands of pounds monthly on marketing and content creation. All I needed to do was spend $100 per competitor, and I would be free and clear for all time.
I reckon at $500 a month, I could dominate not only my entire niche, but all adjacents within a year.
Thanks for the heads up.
google emailed a guy (in that earlier thread), telling him he needed to remove the backlinks before he got his ranking back. isnt that proof?
it came from google -- straight from the horses mouth.
Whatever dude, you can be the ostrich with the head in the sand if you want to, but for now the evidence suggests that it's not that hard to send your competitor in a limbo:
1. spend $100 to buy links on 100 chity Indian directory websites
2. start sending emails to Google complaining about the links your competitor is buying on some Indian directory websites
3. Google drones see the links from those $1 directories, follow their current "guilty until proven innocent" moto and devalue the website and send the dreaded "unnatural links detected" email
4. the poor webmaster has no idea what the heck is going on, nor has any way of fixing this. Google doesn't disclose which links are problematic - so the webmaster doesn't even know what links Google is talking about
And there you have it.
Proof of what?
1. Google sends canned emails
2. Google advised he has unnatural links
3. Google advised lost ranks until links are gone
Google didn't say a single word about a competitor which is what did not come from the horses mouth.
[edited by: atlrus at 2:02 pm (utc) on Apr 12, 2012]
Ok, so you disavowed the obvious flaw in you argument by claiming special treatment for Amazon and WikiP.
What about the rest. $500 wouldn't scratch my AdWords budget, and by having no competitors within a year would DEFINITELY show a better ROI.
I guess we're all super lucky that not a single one of our competitors decide to take us out- especially as they seem so ruthless and savvy in every other way.
Proof of what?
1. Google sends canned emails
2. Google advised he has unnatural links
3. Google advised lost ranks until links are gone
Good Mother Google
We turn over more than $10m at current exchange rate. $100 to take us down is laughable.
Look, blink hatred of Google is damaging your objectivity
Proof that backlinks can harm you. This was never the case in the past - backlinks were devalued but your website did not suffer loss of ranking because of them.
Google sends a webmaster the message that the website lost ranking because of backlinks. I don't know how much clearer you need to be told, seriously.
[edited by: fathom at 2:26 pm (utc) on Apr 12, 2012]
Look, blink hatred of Google is damaging your objectivity.
Chances are, of course, that your website doesn't even rank #1 for your keywords, otherwise you wouldn't have to spend the money on Adwords...which should make this even easier
fathom wrote:
If a competitor developed unnatural links to you... this means your competitor aided your ranks, traffic and sales and when Google discount these (because they are unnatural) you go back to where you were... with less ranks, traffic and sales... and that isn't bad because "you didn't do it in the first place".
If you manipulate results intentionally and Google determines that "you did it" (and they can)
[edited by: rlange at 3:24 pm (utc) on Apr 12, 2012]
Hypothesis: Competitors can use backlinks to harm you. Evidence in favor? Mostly anecdotal, "I know someone who does this" stories that it works. Evidence against? That it doesn't happen all the time.
My personal opinion, based on the evidence available, is that it is indeed possible for a competitor to harm you with backlinks. I feel that we don't see it very often because it either requires a manual review or most sites have a backlink profile that's too strong to be affected by any attempts that are being made by the site's competition.
fathom wrote:
If you manipulate results intentionally and Google determines that "you did it" (and they can)
But how? Do they have access to a link seller's client list?
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Ryan
crobb305 wrote:
I think JohnMu made an important point on the Google Groups forum:
"While we have just recently started sending out these messages, they may apply to issues that were already known (and affecting your site's standing in our search results) for a while."
Surely the company that controls all this and so much more... it isn't too much of a stretch for them to develop footprints using your online activities.
Yes, that is my understanding too (see also the other active thread). Once you have a legitimately ranking site, with a backlink profile that supports your ranking, you become immune to negative campaigns.
