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Link from PR 9 site - but a problem

         

epmaniac

9:51 pm on Sep 22, 2011 (gmt 0)

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i just noticed that one of my site has acquired a link from pr 9 site... but that site has around 100 + external links outgoing from it also.... do you think this link from pr 9 site would help me?... i mean getting a link from pr 9 is HUGEEEEEEEEE!.... or do u think i should ask its webmaster to remove my link from that site as my site could acquire a penalty! (too many outbound links from that site)

what do u think i should do?

aristotle

12:43 am on Sep 23, 2011 (gmt 0)

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If the other site is trustworthy in Google's eyes, then 100 other external links shouldn't cause any problems for your site. What could cause a problem would be if the other site is about an unrelated subject, or in a bad neighborhood, or has been selling links.

Robert Charlton

2:24 am on Sep 23, 2011 (gmt 0)

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a link from pr 9 site

Assuming all the ususal caveats about the inaccuracy of TBPR, that PR is one factor among many factors, and that there are many other link-related factors which can modify the effect of PageRank, etc...

I'm assuming that, by a PR9 "site", you mean that the Toolbar PageRank of the home page of the site shows as 9. Is your link from the home page, or is it from an inner page? What does the TBPR of the page that links to you show?

Is the link a freely given editorial link, or is it bought? Is the page it's from a relevant? Is the link placed among a tightly packed cluster of links, or is it within relevant editorial content? Etc etc.

but that site has around 100 + external links outgoing from it also

Again, please distinguish between "site" and "page" here. I'm assuming you mean page, as any site that had a PR9 homepage would definitely have more than 100 outbound links overall.

So, what's the linking page like? Where are the links located on the page? How did you happen to get the link?

You're not likely to get a penalty in any event, but the real question is whether the link will help you.

epmaniac

9:26 am on Sep 23, 2011 (gmt 0)

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@ aristotle and robert

yes its a ten year old site and is very reputed, its an educational resource site and i have the link from their PR 9 home page... i just have one link from its homepage and no links at all from it sub pages

the only problem i think it has that it homepage also seem to have 100 + outbound EXTERNAL links.... the site is not related to mine... they have added my site as an additional resource, i dont know why ... the link is located at the bottom of homepage, do you think this link will help me? this is the first time i am getting link from pr 9 page....

aristotle

10:31 am on Sep 23, 2011 (gmt 0)

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It's not unusual for a page to have 100+ external links, and I'm pretty sure that Google doesn't normally see anything wrong with it. The PR "juice" to your site will be diluted some because it is spread over so many links, but a PR 9 page has a huge amount of PR juice to pass on, so your site should still get a big benefit from it.

So assuming that it really is a PR9 page on a reputable site, then I don't think you need to worry about a penalty or rankings demotion, and you have a good chance to get a lot of benefit.

Maybe you can come back to this thread after a few weeks and let everyone know how much effect it had on your site's rankings and traffic.

robzilla

10:46 am on Sep 23, 2011 (gmt 0)

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what do u think i should do?

Frankly, you should sit back, and smile at the compliment :-) Especially if it's a high-traffic site, and it has you listed in a relevant section.

epmaniac

9:01 pm on Sep 23, 2011 (gmt 0)

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thanks guys. one more thing

while i was researching this i was wondering what is more beneficial?

a) one link from a PR 9 page which has 100+ external outbound links
b) one link from a PR 7 page which has ZERO or ONE external outbound link

epmaniac

10:07 pm on Sep 23, 2011 (gmt 0)

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also one more thing,...

i have got a site wide link from a reputable site also... they have placed it in their left menu and hence i am getting link from every page of their site...... do u think it can hurt my site?

SEOPTI

2:32 am on Sep 24, 2011 (gmt 0)

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PR is used mainly for crawling and indexation, if you need long tail traffic PR is needed.

Long Tail Traffic = PR

epmaniac

8:22 am on Sep 24, 2011 (gmt 0)

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@seopti thanks for replying the question and i understand what you mean but coming back to the original question what do u think is more beneficial?

a) one link from a PR 9 page which has 100+ external outbound links
b) one link from a PR 7 page which has ZERO or ONE external outbound link

aristotle

10:43 am on Sep 24, 2011 (gmt 0)

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a) one link from a PR 9 page which has 100+ external outbound links
b) one link from a PR 7 page which has ZERO or ONE external outbound link


Can't be answered until you specify how many internal links are on the pages. Also, PR9 could be anything between 8.51 and 9.49 --there's a big difference between the two cases. Similarly for PR7. There are also other factors involved aush as the position of the link on the page. But if I remember correctly, a PR9.0 has about 50 times as much PR juice as a PR7.0, so that might give you an idea of the relative values

Robert Charlton

7:12 pm on Sep 25, 2011 (gmt 0)

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epmaniac - Forgive me for putting it this way, but are you asking theoretical questions about freely given editorial "reference" links, or are they questions about link buying choices? I ask because it sounds more like the latter, and my answer addresses some of those considerations.

There are a lot of signals that Google can pick up on, not the least of which is the quality of the other sites included among the other "references", and the relevance of the linking site. There's generally no good reason for a site to have 100 reference links on its home page, particularly when all the links are down at the bottom. At the least, it doesn't sound like intelligent site design.

ROS (run-of-site) links send their own signals, as do links buried in navigation and links with just the right repetitive anchor text. These usually indicating a special relationship between sites. 10,000 ROS links from a single domain doesn't give you much more benefit, if any, than one link from that same domain... but IMO the 10,000 links are likely to raise a flag for Google. Keyword anchor text will generally color the flag red.

a) one link from a PR 9 page which has 100+ external outbound links
b) one link from a PR 7 page which has ZERO or ONE external outbound link

In addition to the points Aristotle raises about the number if internal links on the page, I'd add a question about the pattern of outbounds from the site in general. Is the link from the PR7 page from the same domain as the PR9 site that has the 100+ external outbounds from home, some of which might be paid? Or is it from a clean site with no iffy links that is obviously very selective about what sites it links to?

And what kind of backlinks do these linking sites themselves have? Are they artificially boosting up their TBPR to make themselves attractive to link buyers? There's a test that martinibuster recommends which is very simple... Check to see if the linking site's backlinks come from SEO-type sites. If they do, I would avoid getting links from those sites.