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he's saying a pie is a fixed size, so more slices mean each slice is smaller!
Yes, I gathered that much. But how is it a fixed pie? I thought each new page added a value of 1.00 to the potential size of the pie.
[edited by: Patrick_Taylor at 8:46 pm (utc) on May 1, 2008]
PR plays a more important part in indexing rather than ranking?
It's definitely a part of both spidering and indexing decisions for Google. But it's pretty hard to rank without links, and links bring PR - so PR does play a part in ranking to, but it's just a "query-independent" part and thew query dependent factors also mean a whole lot.
p/g
If there are 100 sites available on the web and their traffic is fairly equal, then you could assume each site would have a PR1.
If 50 of the 100 sites garner 75% of web traffic, then perhaps those 50 sites each should have a PR of 1.5 (75% of traffic /50 sites) while the remaining 50 sites would have PR of .5 (25% of traffic/50 sites)
In that simple example, sites with high traffic are rewarded while sites with average or low traffic don't receive anything extra.
I'm not saying that's involved in any algorithm, but I do like to see overall traffic numbers rising.
That toolbar PR has been glitchy since a year ago and I sometimes wonder if it's deliberate, that they're intentionally gaslighting webmasters.
No need to wonder. Goog employee #3 basically admitted they are fraudulently "glitching" the TBPR.
(still waiting for some legal minds to understand the impact of this)
I had a Wordpress site that took 6 months of hard work to get to a PR of 3, and from last night it is now zero, and I have NO paid links.
Yet my search ranking for my main key word is #16 on Google and #3 on Yahoo.
PR is a joke and should be scrapped. And Google sucks BIG time.
It is almost as if it is operating similar to prior to the manual "PR massacre" of late 2007 - defo more "accurate" if that is the right phrase to use. and defo more pr back in the search space.
That toolbar PR has been glitchy since a year ago and I sometimes wonder if it's deliberate, that they're intentionally gaslighting webmasters.
A concerted program of disinformation via a tool bar display Google controls, aimed at foiling people who are trying to manipulate the very results their entire company is based upon?
Thats crazy.
They just updated it for March. For both February and March, the crawl stats page shows my page with the highest PR as one of my internal pages, which as far as I can tell, has a PR of 3. My home page has held a PR of 4 for over a year now (and still does, in TBPR) So what am I to make of this? The GWT is broken? That internal page has risen to a 4+, but it doesn't show in TBPR yet? Or has my home page fallen to a 3, but TBPR still lists it as 4?
While I know it really doesn't *matter* - one can't help being curious.
My company site had been at PR5 for years, looks like it's PR6 now.
No need to wonder. Google employee #3 basically admitted they are fraudulently "glitching" the TBPR.
I do wonder. Being involved with a number of sites and talking to other webmasters recently regarding their sites, in a number of cases i see no logic to the current TBPR values.
1. An established authority site 8ys old falls from a 7 to 6 that has thousands of quality inbounds and shound be a PR8 based on the number and quality of links involved.
2. A PR6 site (established over 5yrs)falls to a PR5 yet has double the quality links than last year. Same with another site im aware of.
3. A young site one year old with a few pages and a few links moves from a PR3 to a PR5
Now whilst its not easy to compare one site with another due to different links, site structure etc. You cant tell me that an established site (2) should be a PR5 and be of the same value as (3) when they are in totally different leagues.
Due to the size gap between a PR5 and PR6 ie you could have in real terms a PR 5.1 V a PR 5.9 yet they both show as a 5 you can see where the problem could be however, i cant help but feel that google may well be showing incorrect TBPR on a percentage of sites just for protection against being gamed by link traders.
What we see may not be what the real PR is but i agree that it is nice to see a high green bar PR albiet for confidence that a site is gaining greater authority
Rich
I do wonder. Being involved with a number of sites and talking to other webmasters recently regarding their sites, in a number of cases i see no logic to the current TBPR values
Yes, you can read the original admission of "glitching" here [webmasterworld.com]
However, if you read my comments in the above thread, you'll see why it's expressly "fraudulent" (the interaction between employee #3, steveb, and myself)
And of course, their reasonings are echo'ed in Randle's comments
Just because their business model is built upon the so-called "millions of everyday surfers who use TBPR for some unknown purpose" doesn't make it less illegal.
In fact, by their own logic, it makes it more illegal as it's Goog's legal responsibility to ensure that each and every page's TBPR is up-to-date and accurate .... for the sake of their millions of users who gauge "whatever" by using it.
