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Google Still Showing Old Previous urls

How can I prevent this I dont want them

         

WiseWombat

11:17 am on Apr 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi I dont know if im in the write area but About 2 1/2 years ago I hosted an oscommerce website and had very good listing on google.
My problem is these urls are still showing up in google search.
example:
www mydomain.example/catalog/index.php
Theses pages havent been live for over 12 months.
Is there a way to remove them from google search?
Its quite obvious that these links are not from recent googlebot spider index.
How can this be? These pages still have exellent seach results but they are no longer in my webs directorys.
I could put a permanent 301 redirect in place but google don't come looking for these pages anyway?

Any help would be appreciated :(
Thanks: :)

tedster

2:20 pm on Apr 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You are one of many, I think. Many portions of the current Google dataset are drawing on historic data (Aug 05). Everyone feels that they simply must and will update all this, and I doubt there's anything you can do to make a change. The ball is in their court.

What you can do in the mean time is make sure those urls get a 404 or 410 response form your server. Sooner or later Googlebot will come calling, and you want to be sure that it doesn't get any indication that the urls point to content through a redirect or some other mechanism.

WiseWombat

3:22 pm on Apr 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the reply.
This has been an on going thing and a pain as the old urls seem to just linger with the and newer listing being listed but below the old.
I took a look at google tools and found a link to webmaster tools
What I done was I created an account in google to remove url at google.com.au/webmasters/remove.html
I have submitted a request for the removal of the entire /catalog/ directory and all of its contents.
I was given an automated responce saying it will take about Five days and they they will validate the url before it will be removed I will see how it goes.
I think they should, like you said! update there database information links regulary as with many changes in any database driven website information and stock is constantly changing.
Thanks for the reply I will let you know who it goes

reseller

3:27 pm on Apr 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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WiseWombat

Two things I wish to say about the Google URL Console (url removal tools):

- be very careful of what you are doing. You risk removing your whole site if you are not sure of what you do.

- pages removed by the url console shall return back again after 6 months

WiseWombat

1:20 am on Apr 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the reply.
The /catalog/ directory is no longer required as I am no longer running a store but rather a fun free site in html in a different directory in the root.
If these /catalog/ directory pages reappear from google after 6 months what other options do I have?
I have no problems with yahoo or mns ect all there information is kept upto date? Why is google so much different and why would I need to use there tool to remove old information you would think it would be done automaticlly.

activeco

8:38 am on Apr 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I was given an automated responce saying it will take about Five days and they they will validate the url before it will be removed I will see how it goes.

I have a confirmation about removal of all related pages to index.php:

" 2006-03-14 22:41:17 GMT :
removal of [widgets.com...]
complete "

However, they are all still in the index as supplemental results.

annej

5:23 pm on Apr 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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they are all still in the index as supplemental results.

And there they will stay throughout eternity. (sigh)

gford

11:35 pm on Apr 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Tedster -

Is there a thread I missed talking about the August 05 cached data? Mine is actually showing June-July 05 and most everthing is supplemnental hell as of today again. What the heck is going on!?!?!?

tedster

12:27 am on Apr 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The Big Daddy threads and the Data Center Watch threads had noticed the Aug 5 date several times. So now you're seeing even older. My oh my. This simply MUST be a temporary action of some kind... please?

g1smd

1:29 am on Apr 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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... where temporary is a duration of six months or more.

Sorry. I don't hold out any hope of it being fixed anytime in 2006.

Maybe by late 2008 perhaps?

cgchris99

3:22 am on Apr 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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from what I have seen oscommerce sites have been hit hard by the big daddy update. There is a poll on the oscommerce forum under next step marketing.

However, not many people have responded to the poll. Most view it and don't respond. It's sad. You would think they would be interested. I think its store owners that don't have a clue that don't respond. Duh!

g1smd

10:03 am on Apr 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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osCommerce: YES. A big drop. Down from 22 000 pages (misreported by Google as 58 000 pages for many months beforehand) down to 3500, 250, 150, or 70 pages depending on which datacentre you look at.

osCommerce has major design flaws which mean that each "page" of content has multiple valid URLs that can be used to access it. They shoot themselves in the foot with "Duplicate Content" multiple times.

WiseWombat

11:38 am on Apr 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for every input one.
It seems a real problem and for what it worth I have also added my say to the oscomerce poll.
Thanks

WiseWombat

11:45 am on Apr 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for every ones input.

travelin cat

7:49 pm on Apr 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I've been seeing much older caches on 97% of my 435 supp pages:

This is G o o g l e's cache of h#*$!.com as retrieved on Feb 19, 2005 06:56:41 GMT.

g1smd

8:50 pm on Apr 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Wait until your cache dates show January 2004 like the ones I am looking at right now...

.

Now, riddle me this Batman.

A page that went online in May 2005 had an incorrect phone number on it and was corrected in July 2005. I have no idea if the page was Supplemental at that time, or went Supplemental at a later date, but the page still shows up as a Supplemental Result with the OLD phone number in the snippet, even though the old phone number is not in the cache, and the cache is updated several times per month (latest cache date is only last week). However, if you make a search for the new phone number, that same page is returned as a normal result, and with the new phone number in the snippet.

Another page on that site was published 28 months ago, and it also had the wrong phone number on it. That page was amended less than two weeks ago, and as of today the cache shows the new phone number, the snippet shows the new phone number, and there is no way to see the old phone number (on that page) even if you enter the old phone number as the search query.

So, just why does Google sometimes hold on to old data long after the webmaster has discarded it, and other times discard it days after the site does?

steveb

9:15 pm on Apr 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yeah some non-existent, mega-ancient supplementals came back again today... and unfortunately at the top of an "ordered" list.

Since Big Daddy is 100% in place, it appears nothing was done to remove corrupt data, so anything that will be done is starting at the worst point possible.

That little blip of time where many supplementals showed no cache is now history, with things now as bad as ever.

ichthyous

9:40 pm on Apr 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I don't have an oscommerce site, but I do have an ecommerce site which is seeing the same issue. My indexed pages had dropped down to about 512, then a few days ago it more than doubled to 1,180. I was glad, thinking that perhaps the new Mozilla googlebot had crawled my site and was replacing a lot of pages it had dropped...no such luck. Instead the extra 500+ pages were old crap from 2004/2005 that were listed as supplemental. I can't figure out why Google would dredge up pages that old...does anyone have any theories?

WiseWombat

1:39 am on Apr 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Heres an idea?
I have never paid for search engine listings as I have managed to submit my site to many search engine for free.
Could it be that sites with free listing in google have these issues where as sites with google adwords or adsence dont as these sites pay per view? and are basicly pay per click advertisers?