Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
<div style=position:absolute;top:-1000>
Here goes the hidden text
</div>
is shure also a hidden text.
<div style=width:300;height:60;overflow:auto>
Here is the visivle part of
the scroll area
About 4 lines
are visible
___________________________
This text is below the fold
</div>
Is the text below the fold of this 60 pixel height DIV a hidden text?
The scroll bar is easy to see, the slider big enough to be used, the scrollable area is big enough to view the text below the fold easy.
<div style=width:300;height:30;overflow:auto>
Here is the visivle part of
the scroll area, only 2 lines visible
___________________________
This text is below the fold
</div>
Here is the scroll bar so small, that only the up and down arrow is visible. No slider between.
So where would You set a <div> with overflow:auto the border line of visible and hidden text?
What's the purpose of the hidden div?
Playing the is this hidden text game only lasts so long. Sure there are alot of cases of sites using it who have yet to get caught.
They end up being the webmaster who posts here saying:
'Help, Ive been banned by G -what to do'
Great ranks dont require stuffing divs or pages.
I have had sites to redesign for clients, penalised for having huge hidden DIV sections etc. Superficially it looks like your listing is high because of the hidden text, but usually after I have removed the spammy cheat stuff ... the site holds up still.
Get rid of your spam and concentrate on good honest content and value ... it will win overall. And you'll sleep better knowing that you are listed legitamtely ... really you will {:-)
Best of Luck
Colin
Could spam reports be helping to focus positive attention on the sites being reported?
>>Could spam reports be helping to focus positive attention on the sites being reported? <<
I don't think so.
I have the impression that Google WebSpam Team is paying much attention to spam reports recently. Both GoogleGuy and Matt Cutts havd mentioned that. Also several fellow members have posted recently that they have seen action has been taken on their spam reports.
You may wish to give it another test drive here:
[google.com...]
I suspected OOP and checked the page targetted for the phrase. And webmasterworld.com density checker shown keyword density equal 35% for the phrase in question. But I didn't stuff the phrase, this density has been created naturally as a result of page topic.
Adding more occurences of the keyphrase either with hidden text or without is the last thing I need here! :)
I filled out the 4th spam report on this site a day or so ago. I'll see what happens this time round, but as I said, I've already "helped" to get the site to number 1 so there is no way it can go up any more.
And what's the purpose of using hidden text? ;) Do you really need to increase your kwd density?
Not in english.
English has no conjugation of adjectives.
English has no combined words.
English has no special characters.
When I write in the title "red widget"
and in the text "red widgets", it's all done to mention red widgets in all possible forms.
But not so in German.
When I write in the title "rotes Gerät"
and in the text "rote Geräte",
and somebody searches "Gerät rot"
nothing would happen, because the grammatical form "rot" is not mentioned on the page.
So it's usefull to put some where all conjugations of "red" in German. rot rote rotem roten roter rotes
Combined words are a German speciality. You can combine nonus in nearly infinite variations.
An extrem example is the
Donaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän
Donau-dampf-schiff-fahrt-gesellschaft-kapitän
Donau=Danube a river
Dampf=Steam
Shiff=ship
Fahrt=Drive
Gesellschaft=society
Kapitän=captain
6 words combined togehter to one. But I could ad even more
Donaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftskapitänsanwärterprüfung
Anwärter=aspirant
Prüfung=examination
The last problem are special German chars like äöü
Kapitän = Captain
But when the keyboard has no "ä", You can write
Kapitaen but it can also happen that people wirte
Kapitan
This creates a high number of relevant words.
>>reseller
I filled out the 4th spam report on this site a day or so ago. I'll see what happens this time round, but as I said, I've already "helped" to get the site to number 1 so there is no way it can go up any more. <<
Well done!
I recall either GoogleGuy or Matt Cutts suggesting mentioning WebmasterWorld user name when reporting spam or filing a reinclusion request.
I guess its is still valid, unless we hear from GG or Matt otherwise ;-)
But not so in German.When I write in the title "rotes Gerät"
and in the text "rote Geräte",
and somebody searches "Gerät rot"
nothing would happen, because the grammatical form "rot" is not mentioned on the page.So it's usefull to put some where all conjugations of "red" in German. rot rote rotem roten roter rotes
I see the point. I do pages mostly in English and Polish. Polish has the same gramatical problems as German, but the internet is much less competitive than in Germany so it's extremely easy to get high position in this country, while in Germany SEO competition is really big.
But spamming in hidden text is always risky. In your example 'rot rote rotem roten roter rotes' the words are not in their natural context, and I bet Google can easily detect it, as they use data mining even in language translation, not only in spam detection. You have to write entire paragraphs of gramatically valid text with additional forms of your keywords. And if you have additional paragraphs, why don't show them to users?
You can also build different pages for different forms of your keywords, or saying more precisely, pages with different distribution of certain phrasing. Interlinking these pages would make strong theming for their keywords. And of course inbound anchor text with varying keyphrase forms is essential too.
But spamming in hidden text is always risky
I just worked out a new layout concept with all this text visible.
I put this text into a scrollable DIV not to hide the text, but to avoid a vertical scroll bar at XVGA 1024x768 resolution.
