Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
In further research last night I (think I) came to the conclusion that the pages that we lost were over optimizised. But in what way and where are the questions. I could only compare who is listed, and who is not.
On one of my main search terms, where last week I was numbers 2 & 3, I am now # 59. (other sections are worse, but sticking to this problem for my research)The result should be one of my deeper pages, to the actual related page of the site. But what appears here is my main index page. The page that should be here I have not found yet.
So if i am thinking i am over optimized, i want to see what others on the google results page are having success with. Guess what? They are way over optimized. But this is the difference that I can see so far. In the unlinked content on the page, they repeat the search term over and over - key phrase density probably twice as much as i have, maybe more.
But I think the difference is that where I repeat the term, it is anchor text internal links. I think I repeat the phrase in the anchor text equal to or more than I do in the content on the page itself. It does not appear spammy, it is basically the navigation links that I speak of.
So, is it possible that google is looking at the anchor text links and weighing those phrases more than what is in the content itself and considering repeating phrases within the link as spam? Could it be the anchor text density verses the density of the content itself?
Am I making any sense to anyone?
[edited by: tedster at 9:20 pm (utc) on Feb. 27, 2008]
I was dumped for the first time around Dec.20th. The odd thing in my case was that it happened *right* after I started to get first-page rankings for some of my best keywords.
At the time I was convinced the two events were related!
Since early Jan. I've been in the penalty box permanently with not a hint of a change. What also is peculiar is G dumped about half of my pages in it's index early Jan. and I seem to be frozen - most pages in supplementals, not increase/decrease in pages indexed, etc.
GoogleBot's still crawling regularly, but not as much as usual.
Key issues: too many KWs on the home page (which is in the supplementals btw), link text, my own fault but definitely some dup. content within the site and some poor navigation (Google not seeing my on-site sitemap as such and therefore not "understanding" the category->product hierarchy).
I keep waiting but it's gone on too long, I've tried a bit of housecleaning which I should have done anyway.
My main site tanked Dec 20 - same as others, found in the depths of 900's.Traffic came back as prior on Jan 14 for 4 hours then back to basically nothing.
I did not change anything - traffic came back to the reg traffic prior to Dec 20 last sunday Jan 20, but as of the 27th, I am back in the abyss.
Who knows, maybe I can expect to be pulled into the game for 1 week per month!
Anyone else have this experience with these dates?
YES! - I had BIG changes on two of those dates - Jan. 14th and Jan 27th.
I have 11 subdomains that were hit hard by Big Daddy back in April. They were hit again in July.
Since July there has only been a trickle of Google hits coming in to those sites.
On Jan 14th traffic levels suddenly returned to levels (not as high as) not experienced since last April. This happened to 10 of the 11 subdomains. One was left with a trickle.
Traffic on those 10 subdomains have remained steady UNTIL Jan 27th
On Jan 27th ONE of the 10 subdomains suddenly returned to the previous trickle of Google traffic. On Sun Jan 27th - 2 hits from Google).
Another thing that happened in the same time frame is that the PR for the one subdomain fell to PR4 from PR5. Until Jan 27th, it was the only subdomain that was rated a PR5. All of the other 9 subdomains had fallen from PR5s to PR4s at an earlier date.
As ALL of my 11 subdomains are basically the same, accept different content, and ALL have been 'corrected' for www/non-www and index.htm to / such infractions months ago - I can think of no other explaination other than Google is have 'issues' when it comes to updating/populating their Primary Index and data is being dropped/lost on an all to frequent basis.
IMHO
Caryl
Check your cache dates for your homepage across the data centers, it could be your site pulling some info from data centers that are not fresh. Your site should bounce back with the changes you made.
It just takes a week or two to filter across all the data centers...
I went back, and this is a relatively new phenomenon. In the past, I would see referrals from #1-50, but that was about it. Something in the 100+ range was very unusual. Now it seems to be more common.
The fact that people are venturing so deep in their searches should concern Google, I would think. Either there are a lot of people out there with time to kill, or they aren't satisfied. I suppose Google must keep records on this sort of thing, or perhaps its just the niche I'm in, but I can tell you for the terms I'm searching for, the results on Google right now are pretty bleak.
And how in the world Google can't determine a site is pure spam with a totally unrelated page title, but with just the search term in a huge font on the page AND THAT'S IT - other than a link to a directory with a bunch of scraped snippets is beyond me. This is not relevancy, and it's bad from a customer's point of view (Google's customers).
I'm still at the bottom for some of the terms I'm monitoring, and #1 for others. Crazy.
Since this ad campaign was started a month or so ago, and obviously I got a substantial amount of links in a short time ...
Just stabbing in the dark over the "950" still.
(Yes, I'm in the back, no change since first week of Jan, other "issues" are in the 950 thread).
Guess the question is, anyone else using Adwords on a domain that got penalized? Anyone know specifically that this *isn't* the problem?
Just curious... and digging :)
[edited by: tedster at 5:58 am (utc) on Jan. 30, 2007]
I do not think my pages were overoptimized to begin with, but got worried and I began keyword de-optimizing my site last week (I am not sure if this is what got most of my pages out of the 950 penalty), and this is one of the first few pages I de-optimized. Other pages that I performed the same deoptimization procedure are out of the 950s.
The page is still indexed with last index 2 days ago. There does not seem to be anything out of the ordinary on the page or in the code. The content is all original content. The page also include affiliate links, but I do not think this has anything to do with it.
< continued here: [webmasterworld.com...] >
[edited by: tedster at 2:33 am (utc) on Feb. 2, 2007]
