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but i heard that it would be a good idea to 301 my origional site to the new one.. well its newer...
Bam.. about 6 weeks later im sandboxed with 1/3 of my traffic gone...
How long have people been in my position for.....
I quiet liked getting out.. but is this going to take another 8 or so months?
Adwords is fairly expensive, and cutting into my profits....
Cheers all!
Site in sandbox:
A month or so ago I recieved a lot of visits from google image, but still nothing from google search, I thought it could maybe be a begining of the end of the sandbox, nothing happend for a month or so, but now in this update I saw I was no.1 for the name of the site out of 30.mill results and I began to recieve more visits from google search, but ONLY the homepage is ranking, still this could be the begining, the site has a PR6.
Seeing that some get out quick while others stay in forever it seems (me), is this done manually or automatically by Google?
I would think those below the radar get released right away based on auto filters. While those that fly well over the radar are done manually under the watchful eye of Google.
Those under the radar do not pose much of a threat to taking over the serps and upsetting the apple cart. While those who have done their homework will most likely dominant once out of the sandbox (if and when released) which as a result control the serps with regards to positioning and create major changes in results and competitors sales, traffic etc.....
It is my opinion that those high flyers are manually monitored.
What happens is it triggers a flag or filter that alerts Google and becomes a manual process.
Even if this high flyer has done nothing wrong and has just worked hard at trying to succeed they become a vitim of the current Google filter.
At that point are only released by google if every thing checks out and you are playing by all the rules.
Has anybody given much thought as to how this process is operated?
It is my opinion that those high flyers are manually monitored.
Joe it is Google's avowed aim not use manual editing of their index unles it is absolutely necessary. They don't even take manual action when they are notified of blatant spamming.
That's why every scrapper or directory ranks before you; you have NO links, and they do. </end of theory>
When you did remove them did you get out of the sandbox?
What were your rankings without links?
1) If you start a network of sites that have a common global thread, widgets then blue widgets, red widgets, etc., can you put a menu on the side of each page to let people know about those other sites? Does Google see that as link spamming? All we're doing is letting them know about the subset of sites.
2) I've noticed with new sites that Google will put you in the index deep linking to pages, but when you go to look at the page on Google that referred a visitor, you aren't there. Do they pop you into the index and then out again to test your pages?
Thanks!
Very nice post.
I have another observation.
I have keywords that are ranked number 1 in MSN, Yahoo etc. Allintitle, allintext etc show up as number 1. But it ranks nowhere in google.
Here is the interesting part.
If I put into google.
site:www.example.com keywordphrase
the results bring up the correct pages but the description for each result google shows is my meta description tags, even though the keywords are within the pages content.
Is anybody else seeing this happen?
The cure for a recognized unnatural pattern of link acquisition is unlikely to be an unnatural pattern of link removal.
If you go to google search and type in keywords "google sandbox" the top result is a link for google adwords.
Hmmmm......
Now if you type in just the keyword "sandbox" it is number 5 and 6.
Hmmm.....
Think there is a connection here?
Still a non beliver in the Google Sandbox?
Big business. Its all about the money bottom line.
Heard Google Adwords pulled in a cool Billion Dollars in Revenue last year.
Maybe that wasn't enough and their looking for more?
July 10th I launched my new sites. 3 sites at the same time - same products but one for the USA, one for the UK and one for Germany. They each got enough early links and showed up in google within a week or two for super-obscure phrases but of course not for any competitive phrases.
I kinda played each site a little differently, but one has JUST escaped and is appearing about #25 for it's very competitive keyword. The other two are still sandboxed (one of them has a less competitive keyword).
Anyway - the one that escaped was the one that got a couple of days of dedicated time to get links back in August. We didn't go mad, but made the effort to get what links we could. No recipricol links at all. We did add some outgoing links - but only to competitors that linked in the Top 10! This was to go along with the theory that google also looks at your outgoing links to try and work out your marketplace.
So 5 months basically. I am pretty happy with that. It means I can now continue work on this non-sandboxed site with some real enthusiasm at last.
Frankly we were losing the interest in adding new products, and maintaining the site because of the sandbox. One of the sites was instantly #3 in msn.co.uk but regretfully that brings no useable traffic.
So keep the faith people, keep getting incoming links, and only give links to your competitors!
depends how Google does it: if they calculate them independently, let's say each major update, and that month the links are within the boundaries set, you escape the box.
This weekend starting to see minor keywords in top 50 but still no major keywords.
Is this a sign of good things to come?
I have BBclone installed and fair bit of back office stuff to track traffic.
I am only in the 20's for my main keyword in results at present, but now that I am there I can work on improving this. Also now top 10 for some combinations with the keyword.
So whilst sales and traffic are not shooting massively up, I can actually trace orders from this weekend EXACTLY to the phrase searched on google - something that simply did not happen a week ago.
If you watch your traffic you will know when you escape!
For me the change was clear as night and day.
This was also my experience. One day no ranking, the next I was ranking for all kinds of phrases.
If you watch your traffic you will know when you escape!
Exactly!
How can you get someone to link to your site without you linking to them?
Depends on how competitive the keyword is. I am talking about keywords with 20 Million possible results. For duff/obscure phrases you can rank instantly in google.
Looks like there might be a cut-off point as to what is considered a "keyword" and what is not.
So anything with say for example 5 Million+ results is a "keyword" and you get sandboxed from that result.
You could set up blue-eggs-from-senegal.com and be ranked #1 for "blue eggs senegal" in a few days if that is your kinda thing :-)
Define getting out in regards to sales and traffic?
Im back out to all the keywords I had before...
I had noticed that I was getting hits from other data centers..
now im up the top in my local center........ WICKED!
The SandBox IS REAL! dont poo poo it! im just glad im out of it!
Your kidding me right?
There are loads of directories etc where you can get listed for no outgoing link such as dmoz.org and hundreds of other shopping directories.
Then if you have an interesting site, selling something or doing something original/different/better then people will link to you as more information for their readers.
You might nicely request 30 links and get 2 or 3.
My pure traffic levels "before and after" my move out the sandbox are not massively better so far. Maybe 50% better on my organic-only traffic, but from a low base anyway of course - so the actual visitor numbers are not that exciting.
But I am now listing #25 for my major keyword, so a bit more dedicated work over time will get me top 10 I think.
Its just nice doing searches for say "major keyword" + "obscure word" and correctly ranking #1, whereas before I was excluded from any result like that.
Meeko--In addition to JohnnyEnglish's sound advice, two more surefire ways and one longshot method of obtaining inbound links without exchanges are:
1. Original articles concerning your site's topic that you write or pay someone else to write and place in online periodicals in exchange for a link at the end of the article. Go REAL EASY on the selling and make the article as unique as possible. Try to address a common problem or need in your marketplace. Also--make sure it's placed in a non-subscription area so that search robots can access it. No use in getting an article in The Economist when can't Google get to it.
2. Press releases will cost you money but are a superb way to garner lots of inbound links and they are cheaper than paying some mook to get you a bunch of dodgy links. If your release includes mention of a publicly held company, try to get them to approve inclusion of their ticker symbol. That will get you placed in a whole slew of financial sites that almost invariably pick up ANY release with a ticker symbol.
3. Viral marketing is the do-all-end-all of link building and it's free but very tough to pull off. Generally it relies upon much sought after content that cannot be found elsewhere. Got a vid of you and Paris (not the city) or a clip of Mother Thersesa kicking a beggar? Those are worth a couple thousand links.
Hope that helps.
Some sites dont get the Sandbox and some do..
It cant be luck..
Can it?
After all Google is not just a random living thing, its Man-Made and has a set of rules.
Maybe someone at google has to review your site before its properly included for a certian keyword phrase....
Or maybe its the quality of your site or how competitive the keyworkds you are aiming at getting...
There are soo many theories i just have no idea now.
Good luck!
