Update Jagger, Google Update Oct 18th, 2005

When can we expect a new PR update?

[jretzer]

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Anyone have any guesses as to when we can expect a new systemwide PR update?

[voltrader]

Yep, exactly: high TR no change, low TR much, much lower.

- The era of the mom-and-pop shop with a quality website ranking-well is over -- unless it can afford a swath of links across high TR pages. Bottom line as it appears to me: The rich get richer and the barrier to entry much higher.

- If the subjective seed is n-links away, isn't a poorly selected seed's detrimental effect that much greater when it finally reaches the SERPs?

[zeus]

2by4 - ok maybe this is just so early in the begining, but for this update I realy hope they fix:

supplemental results,
hijacking,
302 link bug,
301 issue
and the extreme dublicated filter.

[walkman]

GoogleGuy,
you need to unleash Googlebot and grab ALL the files again, supplementals included. Many should not be there, something is seriously wrong. I can send you a search if needed

[2by4]

I disagree, mom and pop can still succeed, but they have to be willing to put in a lot more work creating unique quality content, in new unique or improved forms, think of our local pop for example, brett. Nobody gave him his success, he made it happen. Google made their's happen. You can still get trustrank, but you have to work really hard for years to earn it. That's why I like it, it kind of works, if you are willing to do the work. As brett noted years ago, 26 steps, I'd add one or two, take one or two away, but it's not that different, it still works.

So what if affiliates fail, who cares? I don't.

zeus, Matt C has clearly said that the idea of an update perse where things get 'fixed' is not where it's at, it's tweaking of dials, everflux, updates that are not updates, etc. However, within that central machine the bugs have to get fixed, that's for sure, I've found some pretty serious ones, others have found more, so that's another question altogether.

I'm sure that will happen though in the next year, but I really doubt it will be called an update, supplementals will just one day vanish, 301, well, they work fine as long as you don't try 301ing a phantom image of a phantom page, I've had nothing but success with massive 301 projects, so I'm not going to ask it to be fixed when I think it works really well. Now if you try to 301 a ghost, it won't do much I'd say.

Hijacking will be interesting, that's for sure, we'll see how that goes, it's complicated though I think.

But my real hope is that google managed to automate directory spam detection, drop all credit for all directory spam links, that more than anything else will help the mom and pop shops who are actually trying to build a real web presence, long term, they won't have to compete with those guys who build 10s, 100s of thousands of backlinks at a button click, that's the number one problem I see on the web today, and I think it's a major issue at google currently, or it should be.

[edited by: 2by4 at 10:38 pm (utc) on Oct. 18, 2005]

[skipfactor]

>>The era of the mom-and-pop shop with a quality website ranking-well is over

Not by a longshot.

[zeus]

2by4 - the 302 issue is only a issue when you have been hit by the googlebug 302 or been hijacked, because in that situation you are filtered for dublicated content.

A site which did not have any troubles or a whole new site will see there 301 work within 3 weeks, thats correct.

[2by4]

Yes, the 302, but I think that's actually much harder to correct than we realize, because of how 302s actually need to work. That's my impression anyway. I don't think this issue is due to any incompetence to be honest, I think it's simply very complicate to resolve, at least within the structure of the algo that has that issue.

Sort of like making Windows secure for example, easier said than done. Not to say the google OS/application layer is as bad as Windows of course.

301s I'm seeing work within days, no matter what the scale, full correction though as you noted in under 3 weeks, it really impresses me.

[bears5122]

Oh crud, I thought it was Jager, not Jagger.

[voltrader]

>>The era of the mom-and-pop shop with a quality website ranking-well is over

Not by a longshot.

I should've qualified my statement further by adding:

- for competitive terms

- starting from now

I've seen an home-grown shopping comparison engine just as good or better than the major engines that occupy the top spots. I don't think they have a chance in heck to rank on the 1st page for 'shopping' unless they receive the same amount of legacy links which have had the benefit of time to accumulate. Hence my quips.

By the way, type in 'shopping' and the 6th result on the 1st page is a government statistical agency. Doh!

[novice]

Update Jagger

I wonder if I will be singing "I Can't Get No, Satisfaction" or "Jumping Jack Flash" :)