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what i have noticed with recent changes is that concurrently the serps are better for the best sites and worse for the worst sites..extremes of both so to speak..and this for both at the same time..so where the top ten used to be pretty good sites and some average sites you now get some very strong sites with some awful spam garbage..
as larger corporation sites will tend to benefit from trustrank and smaller niche circles of sites will tend to be outside the drip down of trustrank...garbage spam sites will have their own ways around this...ethical sites will not have moved in that direction...
If your site's not showing anything when you search for the URL in google that's something different to your rank changing.
If anyone else has an old established site, on a reasonably competitive subject, that's seem a bit of a change over the past couple of days, I'd love to hear here or via sticky mail to see if we can guess at what's been tweaked at the 'plex :)
if you follow...
so... .co.uk and .com are very different to say .de and .fr for the same search...
Just like any other previous update, its gonna be very tough as the update proceed. Google updates aren´t something for the weak souls. During Allegra and Bourbon some of our fellow members couldn´t take it any more and did a very wise thing. They took a break ;-)
And few words about our fellow member GoogleGuy. We might disagree with him on an issue or sevral issues, but we can´t just forget how helpful he has been.
GG is employed by Google and there are limits to what he can reveal in public on these forums. Please understand and appreciate GG´s situation.
As to GG´s contributions to this great community, here are few of GG´s 2827 posts:
[webmasterworld.com...]
[webmasterworld.com...]
GoogleGuy..thank you for being with us. Much appreciated.
(2) I'm using a sitemap extensively and it was working very well
reseller:
this time it really hurts hard. Even after allegra my site hasn't been wiped like this. I've lost all of my motivation to work on that site. Unfortunately I do not have any motivation to work at all today.
I think I should take a break until monday...
At this point, it seems like there is nothing I can do except pretty much drop my almost 1,000-page website, consisting of original, expert-written content and move on.
I seriously doubt Google's intention is to kill informative sites like mine, but that is exactly what this algo change is doing.
I am in the fitness industry, btw, and you will find NO quick-fix diet or exercise info there - it is all about sensible eating, exercising most days of the week and living healthy. Nothing cheesy about it.
I've haven't read anything about that but will try and find some articles.
The site I've noticed a drop in ranking is listed in DMOZ, linked from news.bbc.co.uk and a few edu / gov, and most of it's (former) peers at the top of the SERP's for it's topic so I'd have thought it'd have enough trusted links to hold it's position......I did check though all my outbounds and found a few that seem to have picked up bans so maybe it's just a an issue that'll get sorted after a few crawls....and thanks for the comforting words caveman :P
I had asked G to slow their Mozilla-bot down [webmasterworld.com] back in June (they switched it off) and at first assumed that that was the reason. It is a relief to know that there is probably no connection (relief?).
sabine7777:
For the past year I have experienced periodically being completely dropped off Google
It seems that this must now be considered to be "normal" behaviour for the Google Search Engine.
As Webmasters, we either allow the G-bots on to our sites, or ban them; the latter option is a no-no for most of us, but not all [webmasterworld.com].
As regards to the frustration, fear and worry that G's actions cause, I honestly believe that it is, in the end, a waste of time (and I have had a fair bit of all 3 myself in the last 9 months). Google is, by their own declaration, an inhuman company (a bit like the Borg?). They rely on technological fixes, and are distrustful of human-mediated actions. They are blinded by the bright-lights of their achievements to date (those achievements are undeniable), and unlikely to respond to the nervous quiverings of any individual webmaster. If that is an accurate statement of reality, then it is best to face up to it, and get on with life.
>>Why is it that nobody knows what is going on?<<
Let me guess ;-)
During the current part of the update, the folks at Google are testing new algos, aiming mostly at removing as many spam sites (and sites which are not in accordance with Google´s quality guidelines) as possible.
Once they decide on which algos to proceed with, we shall have a weather report either on this forum from GoogleGuy or from Matt on his blog.
TIA
You just need to add it into the head section or body onload attribute, so it's executed as your page is loaded, and it'll break you out of the frame - hope that makes sense.
Personally I don't think that's at all related to the current changes some are seeing....
'frame breaking code on every page'
how does one ad this to the webpage...Dreamweaver 3
(to flesh out mcavill's reply):
Whilst I cannot answer for specifics on Dreamweaver (have never used it) here is general info which is accurate for HTML (I have just implemented one of them, and it works fine--essential code, since there are so many sites that will try to frame your pages):
This is the one I've used; place between the <head>...</head> sections on each page, usually below the last <meta> statement:
<html>
<head>
...
<!-- start Frame-busting code -->
<script language='javascript' type='text/javascript'><!--
if(parent.frames.length>0){
parent.location.href=self.document.location
}
// --></script>
<!-- end Frame-busting code -->
...
</head>
The next option will also require a <meta> statement in the HEAD section:
<html>
<head>
...
<meta http-equiv='Content-Script-Type' content='text/javascript' />
...
</head>
<body onload='if(self!= top) top.location=self.location;'>
...
</body>
</html>
Obviously, I believe this is an update.
Unless you click "repeat the search with the omitted results included", in which case "trust" seems to miraculously return.
"I seriously doubt Google's intention is to kill informative sites like mine, but that is exactly what this algo change is doing."
It's only an algo change in the sense of misreading their own data, so there is no usefulness in calling it that. What we have is Google improperly ranking sites because it confuses itself, with many of the most authoritative domains in a niche being the ones hit because they are the ones most likely to be copied.
Sites that "copied themselves" via non-www and www duplicate content have been hit for a long time, but the key difference now is a webmaster can do nothing about this, since it is entirely out of control who steals or copies your content... plus the Supplemental index keeps these copies in its database (for all intents) permanently, meaning you can't even demand the stolen copies are removed since Google will remember them forever.
The bottom line is, unless Google completely abandons what they have done this week, very clearly any competitor with enough time on their hands can (some percentage of the time) destroy any domain they target.
that is the classic dupe symptom. Sadly it tages ages (at least it did) for 301-ed sites to come back. At least one major update cycle
